Hi,

I'm still researching but so far got a few cultural names for the iberan cultures. I would make notice that Lliones culture would be the first post-visigothic nobility and the local previous population plus the ones that went north peninsula when the caliphate came, which were still using latin in many matters just as visigoths did. On other part i'm really unsecure about andalusian language, because it gathered muslim, old castilian and jewish words and forms so i'll look into it later.

Land-type titles/constructions:
-Town=Villicus(Lliones), Burgo(Castillan), Villa(Portugues, Gallego), Vila(Catalan), Hisn(Andalusí)
-Church=
-Castle=Yûz(Andalusí)

Tier-Titles:
Teocracy:
Bishop= Episcopus(Lliones), Obispo(Castillian), Bispo(Galego and Portugues), Bisbe(Catalan)

Based on medieval(Reconquista to s.XV/XVI) legislation the demesne controlled by the Church is always called "abadengo" from "abad"; therefore it is dependent of land control and legally correct terminology.
-When owning one or more county-level titles as christian theocracy is [Abad(Castillian, Catalan and Gallego), Abbas(Lliones), Abade(Portugues)] instead of Prince-Bishop.
-When owning one or more duke-level titles as christian theocracy is [Archeabad(Castillian, Catalan, Gallego, lliones), Archeabade(Portugues), Archeabbas(Lliones)].

Republic:
-Doge=Rico-home(Castillian, Portugues, Gallego, Catalan), (Lliones)
-Patrician dinastic name= Patrici(Lliones), Hijo Dalgo(Castillian, Portugues, gallego), Fijodalgo(Catalan)
-Mayor=Iudex(Lliones), Alcalde Real(Castillian, Gallego, Portugues), Alcall(Catalan), Alcayt(Castillianiced)/Alqáḍi(Peninsular Arabic)(Andalusian)["1"]
There was nothing like the so called Merchant Republics on the peninsula, still there was a certain "burgues" class and those terms would totally fit.


Landed cultural titles:
Trebizond(Eng)= Trebisonda(Castillian, gallego, portugues and Catalan from El Quijote), Pontus(lliones, the latin province name)


Unlanded titles:
Cortesan(noble without any claim or not noble at all but living on court)=Gentilhombre(Castillian, gallego, portugues), Gentilhome(Catalan)
Commander= Escudero(Castillian)
Familiar from a king or the emperor after creating the iberic empire tier-title= Grande de España(Shouldn't be culture-depedent as far as it's any iberian culture)


Council and honorific titles:
Chancellor=Canciller
Steward=Merino["1"]
Marshall=Mariscal
Spymaster=Camarero Mayor Real(Based on historical background is the closer i've got but i will look to something better)
Chapellan=Capelán

Chamber assistant=Camerlench(Castillian, Gallego, Portugues, Catalan), Cubiculario(Lliones)[Might be wrong-spelled for latin, will look into it, never studyied latin)["1"]

Most of the info can be double-checked on wikipedia, I rode a legislative book, Fuero Juzgo, but its all quite mundane; the only classes are differenced are slaves/servs and freefolks, not richs or poors, nobles or not. In Spain the law was always aplicable to everyone, even the King(A famous exemple is on "El Cid Campeador", The Cid's tale-book, first castillian book).

Originally posted by "1":

"Figuras en el entorno jurídico de la ciudad medieval hispana", Radhis Curí

I may add and correct some on the future but honestly as my work wont be credited(I've not asked but seems is the standart), has not been added on 3 months and I'm pretty burnt out of helping modders for no credit nor reward at all, I'm actually lacking time for this.

Good luck.

Thanks for the suggestions, I will try making use in an update next week or so

I'm wondering, why's the name for rulers of the Ilkhanate "Khagan" instead of "Ilkhan"
I know, that they have the same culture as the other post-mongolian empires, but can't it be coded into the title itself or something like that?

Also I see a few problems with the region of Poland in the Viking Age start date

The tribal titles for Polish characters should be

Tribal King = Król
High Chief Independent = Książe (The title used by Mieszko I Piast)
High Chief Vassalized = Kasztelan (The leader of a Kasztelnia, which was the equivalent of a Duchy in Mieszko's state)
Chief = Wódz
Shaman = Żerca (in Poland, a Slavic priest, similar in rank to an Ofiarnik, although could be interpreted as a bit lower, as he only knew the Slavic holy book, the Żertwo)
Diviner = Ofiarnik (in Poland, a Slavic priest)
the other council member's names seem more like high medieval names, rather than early-Polish ones, I can't seem to find any other names for such positions though

Three of the landed titles should change I think

The tribe of Wielkopolska should be Polanie (the name of the tribe who lived in the district later known as Wielkopolska)
The tribe of Kujawy should be Kujawianie (the name of the tribe who lived in the district later known as Kujawy)
And the tribe of Mazowsze should be called Mazowszanie for the same reason

A vassalized tribal county should be called Opole (It was a name for a group of neighbours defending from a common enemy and also the smallest division of land)

A vassalized tribal duchy should be called Kasztelnia (Their name in Mieszko I's state)

Originally posted by Eso:

A vassalized tribal county should be called Opole (It was a name for a group of neighbours defending from a common enemy and also the smallest division of land)

A vassalized tribal duchy should be called Kasztelnia (Their name in Mieszko I's state)

Opole meaning county and Kasztelnia meaning duchy? E.g. if Poland vassalises the duchy of Kiev, will it be called Kasztelnia Kiev?
This shouldn't be hard at all to implement.

As for the other suggestions about the tribes, I will have to look into how can I have specific names for specific dates. If that's not possible then I should be able to add them as government-specific names for tribal polish rulers (tho they will be set in any century as long as the gov't is tribal)

Thanks for the contributions. I will try to push an update next weekend.

Originally posted by Hori:

Opole meaning county and Kasztelnia meaning duchy? E.g. if Poland vassalises the duchy of Kiev, will it be called Kasztelnia Kiev?
This shouldn't be hard at all to implement.

Is it possible to make it government-specific? As in, if the place is tribal it'll have the name of Opole/Kasztelnia and if it's feudal, the original should remain
I'm not sure about Kasztelnia, but I'm certain that Opole was the name equivalent to a country only in the early-Piast semi-tribal times

Let me know if the names can be date-specific or changed through an event/decision or maybe even change according to the crown laws, as Kasztelnia would work in early dates as in X-XII century especially in a state with low Crown Authority, but later it should probably be changed to Województwo in mid XIII or as the Authority goes up

Originally posted by Eso:

Originally posted by Hori:

Opole meaning county and Kasztelnia meaning duchy? E.g. if Poland vassalises the duchy of Kiev, will it be called Kasztelnia Kiev?
This shouldn't be hard at all to implement.

Is it possible to make it government-specific? As in, if the place is tribal it'll have the name of Opole/Kasztelnia and if it's feudal, the original should remain
I'm not sure about Kasztelnia, but I'm certain that Opole was the name equivalent to a country only in the early-Piast semi-tribal times

Let me know if the names can be date-specific or changed through an event/decision or maybe even change according to the crown laws, as Kasztelnia would work in early dates as in X-XII century especially in a state with low Crown Authority, but later it should probably be changed to Województwo in mid XIII or as the Authority goes up

Yes, they can be government specific.

E.g. tribal name for county "tribe" and feudal name for county "county", same goes for "chief"/"count"

On the other hand I can't find a way to do the same for province names. E.g. you can't give different names for "Rome" based on the government type, at least there is no way that I know of.
This leads me to stick with feudal names, since the feudal government type (and its muslim/hindu counterparts) is always dominating the world.

@Hori
What about the council? Can the names of those positons be affected by the government type or not?

Originally posted by Eso:

@Hori
What about the council? Can the names of those positons be affected by the government type or not?

They can, council positions, jobs and honorary titles. Some of them aren't being displayed in all places tho.

For example I localised Commander as "Pârcălab" for the romanian culture, but it's still being displayed as "Commander" in some places. I also was unable to localise the Court Chaplain at all. no matter what :(

But yeah, it's possible, since I already did something similar for the bulgarian culture where certain jobs were named differently when the government was tribal, compared to their feudal counterparts. They worked pretty well most of the time but not always (like in the Commander example).

Hopefully this will be improved in the future. i remember that at first, localisting jobs didn't work at all, but then after a certain game patch (forgot which one) they improved support for localisation mods and they started to work.

Okay, that's great, whenever I have more free time, I'll conduct some more research in the topic and let you know about anything I find. I love your mod, it adds so much to the immersion, keep up the good work <3

I recommend looking through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country_names_in_various_languages , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_European_cities_in_different_languages , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_regions_with_alternative_names and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Asian_cities_in_different_languages to help with this if you aren't checking them already.

Thank you. Some of them I knew already, but that one with the european region names is very helpful, thanks!

Originally posted by Hori:

Thank you. Some of them I knew already, but that one with the european region names is very helpful, thanks!

Also I'd suggest using http://www.thlib.org/reference/transliteration/phconverter.php to transliterate Tibetan for the few provinces on the map.

The latest update brings no new features except a new mod icon and a reupload of the mod (there were some people for which this mod didn't download correctly through Steam)

Thank you.

This seems to be an issue with SWMH rather than my mod, so you might want to let them know as well.
But rest assured, I'm still going to fix it and override the name in my mod with the corrected version.