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Allystrya 4 Apr, 2020 @ 8:06am
Possible Watch It and 81 Tiles issues
I meant to put this on here last night. Sorry for the lateness I was exhausted by this after two days of constant loading.

I posted this in the Mod Compatibliity discussion.

I posted this for BloodyPenguin as well.

If you have *subscribed* (I don't know if disabling works) to ONLY 81 Tiles and Watch It, the game consistently crashes. I have no idea whose end it on and there is further information below maybe to help determine that. But I don't think it has anything to do with More Vehicles.

If you need logs, I have over a hundred with many different things I tried or I can even duplicate it again very easily if you are not able to yourself.


Originally posted by Allystrya:
@Avanya - So I believe that Watch It (only when not alongside certain mods which I will explain in a bit) and 81 Tiles are not playing nice and causing game crashes including trying to start new maps. Individually they work fine. And the crashes are about 70-80% of the time. Every once in awhile they seem to get along.

I have been watching the multiple conversations about More Vehicles, AVO and 81 Tiles compatibility. Primarily More Vehicles and 81 Tiles. I have tested these along side my own mods several times with no issues. However a player on the More Vehicles discussion thread posted their mods (A very short list :) ) and crash file and I was able to duplicate it finally.

- AVO,
- More Vehicles
- 81 Tiles (Bloody Penguin version)
- TM:PE Labs
- Less Steam
- Watch It
- Loading Screen Mod

First I wanted to see if I could get the three big ones working together like I could with my own mods.
After some testing not incorporate anything else into those mods I found that Watch It caused the individual's game to crash if it was subscribed to (I don't test with stay subbed when looking for mod conflicts so I am not sure if disabling it would have the same effect). The player has tested this and he also was able to load up with no further issues at this time.

Second, I use Watch It and these other three and have had no issues. Why? NO IDEA!
BUT! Testing a bit further there seems to be something about certain mods that when they are loaded alongside Watch It and 81 Tiles then the two will play nice. For instance, I added Find It to these two and have complete success loading the three of those together with zero crashes. Remove Find It and immediately there are crashes with just the other two mods subbed to.

Here are some of the mods I have so far that work with these two and somehow causes them NOT to crash. I haven't finished yet testing each of mine (I am in the M's of my mod list) with these two but I am going to take a break from this after two days LOL

Dynamic Resolution
Find It
Hide It
Improved Public Transport 2
Resize It
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codewitch 27 May, 2020 @ 6:16pm 
@Allystrya: to reply to the steam thread,

I use 81 Tiles, Watch it, and Find It. I do not use Toggle It!

You're saying its dependent on code from one of those mods without using an import like Harmony (Mod Dependency available as a mod) or Detours (C# library)? That's possible - would likely indicate that it either needs it's library updated (otherwise it wouldn't compile?) or the mod calls a function that due to overload signature precedence or some overwrite, when 81 Tiles is installed it stops working, but Find It!/Toggle It! either "bridges" the gap or overwrites it. I can compare the dependencies in the source code if that's the case.
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Allystrya 28 May, 2020 @ 10:40am 
No idea, it was just the only thing that made sense when I did my testing :) Out of my 90 some odd mods I had at the time I had 9 or 10 or so? when put together with the two it would work fine. However there is no correlation of Libraries I could find either. 81 Tiles uses Detours. Watch It says it doesn't use anything. Some of the other mods use Harmony. /shrug Hence why I have kept my logs for if either author wants to investigate.
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RM68 15 Jul, 2020 @ 7:52pm 
My 5 cents... I use 81 tiles, Watch It! and Find It! The game crashes if/when I try to start a new game with Watch It! enabled (doesn't matter if the others are enabled or not). If I disable Watch It! and start a new game it works. Then I play for a little bit, save and re-enabled Watch It! It worked.
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[-нsн-] Muji-k 19 May, 2021 @ 12:07pm 
Don't know if it is the same problem but it' close enough that i don't think i should create a new discussion thread for this...
I was using 81 Tiles (Bloody Penguin version) but when i tried to use it with Watch It! the game started to crash in the end of the loading bar when i try to create a new game, just as described by Allystrya, so i tried to use Achieve It! and Monitor It!, but the game still crashes, then i started using Zoom It! and the game started working again...
So now I'm using:
- 81 Tiles (Bloody Penguin version)
- Watch It!
- Achieve It!
- Monitor It!
- Zoom It!
But then i tried to install Unlimited Trees: Revisited, and the same exact behavior started happening again, game crashing at the end of the loading bar when trying to create a new game. So i installed Resize It!, but the crash continues, then i unsubscribe to Resize It! and subscribe to Toggle It!, the problem continues, but when i subscribe to both Resize It! and Toggle It! the game don't crash anymore...
So now I'm with:
- 81 Tiles (Bloody Penguin version)
- Watch It!
- Achieve It!
- Monitor It!
- Zoom It!
- Unlimited Trees: Revisited
- Resize It!
- Toggle It!
If the trend continues I'll be subscribed to all this authors mod by the end of my modlist just so i can use Watch It! :D
Well sorry if the problem is not exactly the same but as i said i thought it was similar enough to post my experience here... also this post is from 2020, is it even still alive?!? sorry if this is necroing...
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Keallu  [developer] 7 Jan, 2022 @ 10:05pm 
I doubt there is a conflict with 81 tiles but very likely with More Vehicles. I wil investigate when I have time.
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Keallu  [developer] 15 Jan, 2022 @ 10:53am 
I did not identify any crash related issues but the limit panel has been updated recently so it shows correct limit such as areas (81 tiles) and More Vehicles and several other mods.
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