Europa Universalis IV

Europa Universalis IV

City-State of Carthage 2.1
Reloader  [developer] 4 Apr, 2020 @ 8:45am
Carthage History Discussion
Thread to discuss the historical background of what a rebuild Carthaginian nation could have look like after 1444.

To form Carthage you need the following:

  • Not Tag: Papal State, HRE, Rome
  • Was never an end game tag
  • Culture: Maghrebi, Latin or Greek (gonna allow it for syrian in the next patch aswell, b/c thats where Phoenicia used to be)
  • Admin Tech 10
  • Total Dev of 100
  • Own Tunis (341) as core
  • Tunis has 20 dev

AI will only form if not Tunis and capital in africa.

Moved here
Last edited by Reloader; 26 May, 2020 @ 4:27am
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Rayy Pidhst 7 Apr, 2020 @ 7:41am 
Byzantium can form it?

... well, I suppose Herakleios had some ideas.
Reloader  [developer] 7 Apr, 2020 @ 8:50am 
Do you have other suggestions? I can disable it for Byzantium. I just liked the idea of greeks beeing able to form it :)
Argakyan 20 May, 2020 @ 5:30am 
Originally posted by Reloader:
Do you have other suggestions? I can disable it for Byzantium. I just liked the idea of greeks beeing able to form it :)

I think I'd add in a not BYZ requirement. Greeks could still form it with that, but not the surviving part of the Roman Empire.
Argakyan 20 May, 2020 @ 5:35am 
I think perhaps andalusian (and maybe catalan) could be added as allowed cultures to form it, since Spain used to be their last big colony with a centre in Cartagena or Carthage (in punic "Qart Hadasht" same name as the Tunisian city of Carthage or of Neapolis on Cyprus).
Sergent Malarki 26 May, 2020 @ 2:14am 
Originally posted by Reloader:
Do you have other suggestions? I can disable it for Byzantium. I just liked the idea of greeks beeing able to form it :)
Hmmm to be honest the only nations that should be allowed to fform Carthage should be Tunis and the other Berber nations. Carthaginians were not Arabs or 'African' in the way we concept it today.
Africa and Maghreb region were very different parts of the continent during Antiquity, simply because the Sahara desert was to big to allow people to travel through it. So they were more related to the Greeks than the Africans or even Egyptians.
Argakyan 26 May, 2020 @ 3:21am 
Originally posted by Sergent Malarki:
Hmmm to be honest the only nations that should be allowed to fform Carthage should be Tunis and the other Berber nations. Carthaginians were not Arabs or 'African' in the way we concept it today.
Africa and Maghreb region were very different parts of the continent during Antiquity, simply because the Sahara desert was to big to allow people to travel through it. So they were more related to the Greeks than the Africans or even Egyptians.

Carthaginians & canaans were semitic people originating in the region of Palestine, from linguistics to religion and so on semitic. In other words the closest thing ingame would be either hebrew in the lost cultures category or from other cultures literally arabic. The next closest one would be Tamazight or berbers as while they were not semitic in any shape, they did intermarry & berber languages adopted some canaanite vocabulary.

I think Tunis (should be renamed "Ifriqiya") could be allowed to form it, but under the current conditions this would mean they'd always form Carthage unless territorial requirements are upped such that the tag would have to expand outwards enough..
Reloader  [developer] 26 May, 2020 @ 4:01am 
Argacyan definitely pointed out some important facts here. In the next major update culture, culture requirements and religion will be changed/added to reflect that and add more exciting gameplay.
Reloader  [developer] 26 May, 2020 @ 4:07am 
More news coming this weekend on the Discord including Carthage 2.0+New nation+Emperor plans. Feel free to join it.
Thotinator 27 May, 2020 @ 3:10am 
could you add an option to reform the ancient carthaginian/phoenician culture after forming carthage?
Reloader  [developer] 27 May, 2020 @ 5:05am 
In the works for 2.0
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