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[DEPRECATED, USE VCO2 INSTEAD] Victory Conditions Overhaul
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キャンディーアップル 11 Jun, 2020 @ 12:23pm
General feedback
Few comments if you don't mind:
- Beastmen: Why is short victory focusing solely on Empire? Why not key provinces of major threats?
- Bretonnia is supposed to be at war with Norscan tribes, but there's no mention of them in the victory conditions.
- Not sure about Dwarves, why destroying high elves? It's a drag. Their conditions look a bit like a chore compared to others, there's too much required to succeed.
- I really like how High Elves and Dark Elves were changed, there's an emphasis on their conflict which is a satisfying end goal.
- Empire, no mention of chaos invasion? Helping Kislev survive would be a nice goal as well.
- Skaven: short victory conditions seem a bit overwhelming (greenskins and dwarfs are a big deal), especially compared to other races changes. Greenskins and Dwarfs cover a huge area.
- Not too fan of the "own at least X units" in general, this seems unnecessary. You get the number of units necessary required to succeed, no need to inflate the number for no specific reason.
- Warriors of chaos: High elves are very far from your starting point, not sure it's a good short victory condition. No mention of Norsca and Vampires? Dwarfs are also more distant than these 2.
- Wood Elves conditions are not engaging IMO. You could turtle all game long and just succeed through diplomacy.
Overall these are good changes, keep up the great work!
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cybvep 11 Jun, 2020 @ 3:52pm 
- Warriors of chaos: High elves are very far from your starting point, not sure it's a good short victory condition. No mention of Norsca and Vampires? Dwarfs are also more distant than these 2.
Considering the outdated WoC mechanics and annoying whack-a-mole because of easy recolonization, I think that as far as VCs are concerned, IMO we should embrace the only thing horde gameplay is good for - the sense of freedom. For short victory, IMO the main objective should be to raze/sack X regions. 50 seems fine. Instead of forcing Chaos to destroy Empire, Bretonnia, Dwarfs and High Elves (a massive slog), I think that Chaos should be required to destroy at least 2 of the following factions: Kislev, Reikland, Couronne, Eataine, Karaz-a-Karak. That way the player may enjoy their pillaging wherever they want but there is still focus on the order factions.

- Beastmen: Why is short victory focusing solely on Empire? Why not key provinces of major threats?
I think that the author said it's impossible to set the VCs for razing of selected regions.

The Beastmen actually have a final battle against a combined Empire-Bretonnia force (the men are making a last stand), so it makes sense to focus a bit on the realms of men for short victory at least. However, forcing the player to destroy ALL Imperial provinces means that it will be a massive slog with constant whack-a-mole. I also think that in case of the Beastmen there should be some focus on the Wood Elves as well because they are eternal enemies in the lore. Therefore, I propose to change the VCs for short victory to the following:

- raze or sack 40 regions (up from 30)
- earn 6000 from raiding (unchanged)
- destroy at least 2 out of the following factions: Couronne, Reikland, Middenland (Middenland is mentioned here because of Toddy; because of frequent confederations, this also mean that the player will usually not be forced to destroy both Reikland and Couronne, which is fine for short victory IMO - they are dealt with in the final battle, anyway)
- destroy at least 4 out of the following factions: Laurelorn Forest, Talsyn, Argwylon, Torgovann, Wydrioth (so you have to deal at least with the Wood Elves at Athel Loren)


Last edited by cybvep; 11 Jun, 2020 @ 3:53pm
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Wolfy  [developer] 11 Jun, 2020 @ 10:45pm 
Please move your Empire Suggestions here. I am going to create a similar post for each raze.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/2122621615/2447091420209458945/
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Wolfy  [developer] 11 Jun, 2020 @ 11:02pm 
I have created a main discussion post for each raze. Please move all your suggestions there.
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