Total War: WARHAMMER II

Total War: WARHAMMER II

[DEPRECATED, USE VCO2 INSTEAD] Victory Conditions Overhaul
Wolfy  [developer] 11 Jun, 2020 @ 10:58pm
Lizardmen Victory Conditions [Main Discussion]
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Wolfy  [developer] 11 Jun, 2020 @ 10:58pm 
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Kratosirving 12 Jun, 2020 @ 7:23am 
Hexoatl - No real suggestions, though I feel that building Star Chambers feels a bit boring. It's fine cause it fits Mazdamundi, but still boring.

Last Defenders - Might want to drop Star Chambers from this faction though, Geomantic Locus is also semi-boring, but a good replacement for Star Chambers.

Cult of Sotek - Considering the anti-Skaven zeal of the faction, could set about exterminating all Skaven from Lustria, perhaps beyond for a Long term goal.

Tlaqua - Suggest replacing Star Chambers with Ripperdactyl Hatcheries, increase number to 10/20 due to ease of constructing them for Tlaqua.

Spirit of the Jungle - No real changes to suggest. Having to actually Wander to all 4 corners to take out the Huntsmarshal's Expedition, Naggarond, Clan Mors and World Walkers feels thematic, potentially a bit too long, especially given how poor of an economy that Nakai is notorious for.

Itza - Star Chambers continue to be a boring thorn. Also, you have the Blessed Dread twice in the Destroy Factions section. No true suggestions otherwise.
cybvep 12 Jun, 2020 @ 6:27pm 
For Nakai's short victory Greenskins (Grimgor) should be removed IMO. Adding Azhag and Von Carsteins will probably give better campaign flow.

I think that Naggarond may be removed from the destroy faction list for long victory. It doesn't seem like something that Nakai would be focused on unless Naggarond invaded Lustria. It will also be very annoying. If anything, it should be the Cult of Pleasure because of the influence of Chaos.
DrRuler 14 Jun, 2020 @ 7:33pm 
Just did Spirit of the Jungle - short. It was fine but you end up chasing Grimgor across the world as he confederates all the greenskins though, I'd recommend getting rid of that requirement and instead adding Mussionne(sp), Von Carstein, and Azhag. This aligns well with the wishes of your most likely allies as well.
Wolfy  [developer] 7 Jul, 2020 @ 2:48am 
I would like the factions to be more different and focused. I have introduced some new buildings and units too.

## Lizardmen

### Hexoatl (SV and LV too close)

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate all provinces of Lustria
* Construct 2 Star Chambers
* Destroy factions
* Cult of Pleasure, Clan Pestilens, The Drowned
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate all provinces of Lustria
* Construct 5 Star Chambers
* Construct The Chamber of VisionsCV
* Destroy factions
* Cult of Pleasure, Clan Pestilens, The Drowned, Vampire Coast, The Blessed Dread, Noctilus
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon

### Last Defenders

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate provinces:
* Southlands Jungle, Kingdom of Beasts, Crater of The Walking Dead, Heart of the Jungle, Shifting Sands, Ash
River, Land of the Dervishes, Great Desert of Araby, Land of Assassins, Great Mortins Delta
* Construct 3 Geomantic Locus
* Destroy factions
* Clan Mors, Lybaras, Khemri, Followers of Nagash
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate provinces:
* Southlands Jungle, Kingdom of Beasts, Crater of The Walking Dead, Heart of the Jungle, Shifting Sands, Ash
River, Land of the Dervishes, Great Desert of Araby, Land of Assassins, Great Mortins Delta
* Construct 5 Geomantic Locus
* Destroy factions
* Clan Mors, Lybaras, Khemri, Followers of Nagash, Pirates of Sartosa, Vampire Coast, The Blessed Dread
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon

### Tlaqua

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate provinces:
* Land of Assasins, Land of the Dervishes, Great Desert of Araby, Land of the Dead, Great Mortis Delta,
Southlands Jungle, Kingdom of Beasts, Southern Badlands, Sartosa, Skavenblight
* Destroy factions
* Clan Mors, The Bloody Handz, Pirates of Sartosa, Followers of Nagash
* Build 3 Ripperdactyl Hatcheries
* Own 7 Terradons/Ripperdactyls
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate provinces:
* Land of Assasins, Land of the Dervishes, Great Desert of Araby, Land of the Dead, Great Mortis Delta,
Southlands Jungle, Kingdom of Beasts, Southern Badlands, Sartosa, Skavenblight
* Destroy factions
* Clan Mors, Clan Skyre, The Bloody Handz, Pirates of Sartosa, Followers of Nagash, Khemri, Vampire Counts,
Greenskins
* Build 5 Ripperdactyl Hatcheries
* Own 15 Terradons/Ripperdactyls

### Cult of Sotek

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate all provinces of Lustria
* Construct 3 Crimson Pyramids of Sotek
* Destroy factions
* Clan Pestiles, Clan Skyre, Vampire Coast, Noctilus, The Blessed Dread
* Own 40 Skink units (All variants)
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate all provinces of Lustria
* Construct 5 Crimson Pyramids of Sotek
* Construct the Chameleon Shrine
* Destroy factions
* Clan Pestiles, Clan Skyre, Vampire Coast, Noctilus, The Blessed Dread, Followers of Nagash
* Own 60 Skink units (All variants)

### Itza

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate all provinces of Lustria
* Destroy factions
* The Blessed Dread, Order of Loremasters, Clan Pestilens, The Huntmarshal's Expedidion, Vampire Coast
* Own 40 Skink units (All variants)
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate all provinces of Lustria
* Destroy factions
* The Blessed Dread, Order of Loremasters, Clan Pestilens, The Huntmarshal's Expedidion, Vampire Coast, The
Drowned, Cult of Pleasure, Naggarond
* Construct the Vaults of the Old Ones and The Emerald Pools
* Own 60 Skink units (All variants)
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon

### Spirit of the Jungle

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Have your vassal hold 40 settlements
* Destroy factions:
* Bonerattlaz, Clan Moulder, Norsca, Vampire Counts, Von Carsteins
* Have 1000 Old Ones Favour
* Construct one Exalted Star Chamber
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Have your vassal hold 70 settlements
* Destroy factions:
* Bonerattlaz, Clan Mors, Clan Moulder, Clan Skyre, Norsca, The Huntmarshal's Expedition, Vampire Counts, Von
Carsteins
* Have 1000 Old Ones Favour
* Construct one Exalted Star Chamber
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon
Last edited by Wolfy; 7 Jul, 2020 @ 2:49am
Wolfy  [developer] 7 Jul, 2020 @ 1:54pm 
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@Kratosirving @cybvep @Blahtharus
cybvep 7 Jul, 2020 @ 3:35pm 
My thoughts:

1. In general, I think that Hexoatl, Itza and Cult of Sotek are too similar to each other VC-wise. More should be done to make them distinct.
2. Mazda Mundi can be the Slann/magic anti-Chaos guy (Morathi is pro-Chaos). Remove control over all Lustria for SV (this objective is too common), keep it for LV. For SV, only control over Isthmus of Lustria and Northern Jungles of Pahualaxa should be required, but they should be kept at 80+ untainted (the Slann are undisturbed by Chaos, Skaven and such) and additionally Stellar Pyramids of the Southern Skies should be built. That would make Mazda the northern defender of sorts. Increase the number of required Star Chambers for SV to 3 and add the requirement to get at least 1 Slann Mage-Priest to level 20 for SV (3 for LV). Add the requirement to get at least 4 lvl-5 cities for SV (7 for LV) - grand temple-cities are restored or created. Add the unit requirement for at least 7 Temple Guard for SV (15 for LV). Remove Clan Pestilens from the destroy faction list for SV (a bit too far away, Mazda should be a little more north-focused for SV IMO).
3. Last Defenders - IMO too much focus on western expansion, which largely overlaps with Tlaqua. For SV replace Khemri and Followers of Nagash with Clan Eshin and Hag Graef in the destruction list. Remove Vampire Coast, The Blessed Dread and Pirates of Sartosa from the destruction list for LV. Remove all control province requirements in Araby for SV (Shifting Sands, Ash River, Land of the Dervishes, Great Desert of Araby, Land of Assassins, Great Mortis Delta), add Dragon Isles instead.
4. Tlaqua - IMO too much bloat here. Remove Southlands Jungle and Kingdom of Beasts from control province list. Remove Skavenblight for SV as well. Remove Vampire Counts from the LV destroy faction list (no idea why Tlaqua would care).
5. Cult of Sotek - remove Clan Skryre (too far away) and Noctilus (why they should care?) from SV destroy list, add The Huntmarshal's Expedition instead. Maybe replace control over all of Lustria requirement with 80+ untainted in ALL of Lustria, as well as add minor Skaven clans to the destroy faction list (Clan Fester, Clan Mange, Clan Gnaw). Maybe remove Followers of Nagash from LV destroy faction and add Clan Rictus instead? That would make Cult of Sotek heavily focused on Skaven extermination, which it should be. Also, something about capturing captives in battle would be ok to represent sacrifices (10k for SV, 20k for LV?).
6. Itza - Saurus guys. Remove Skink unit requirements, add Saurus unit requirements instead. At least 20 for SV (30 for LV). Remove Naggarond from LV destroy faction list, that seems very random. Since Gor-Rok is the ultimate defender, control over Lustria for SV seems fine in his case. His destroy faction list shouldn't require expeditions far outside Lustria, without Naggarond it should be fine.
7. Spirit of the Jungle - add Wintertooth to the destroy faction list for SV and LV. Remove Clan Mors from the destroy faction list for LV (too far south). Add Kroxigor/Sacred Kroxigor unit requirements (7 for SV/15 for LV).
Last edited by cybvep; 7 Jul, 2020 @ 3:45pm
Wolfy  [developer] 8 Jul, 2020 @ 1:26am 
## Lizardmen

### Hexoatl

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer provinces:
* Isthmus of Lustria, Northern Jungles of Pahualaxa
* Have at least 80% Untained in the following provinces
* Isthmus of Lustria, Northern Jungles of Pahualaxa
* Destroy factions
* Cult of Pleasure, The Drowned
* Construct 3 Star Chambers
* Build the Stellar Pyramids of the Southern Skies
* Build 4 Temple-Nexus
* Get a level 20 Slann Mage-Priest
* Own 7 Temple Guards
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate all provinces of Lustria
* Have at least 80% Untained in all the provinces of Lustria
* Destroy factions
* Clan Pestilens, Cult of Pleasure, The Blessed Dread, Noctilus, Vampire Coast, The Drowned
* Construct 5 Star Chambers
* Construct The Chamber of Visions
* Build the Stellar Pyramids of the Southern Skies
* Build 7 Temple-Nexus
* Get 3 level 20 Slann Mage-Priest
* Own 15 Temple Guards
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon

### Last Defenders

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate provinces:
* Crater of The Walking Dead, Dragon Isles, Heart of the Jungle, Kingdom of Beasts, Southlands Jungle
* Construct 3 Geomantic Locus
* Destroy factions:
* Clan Eshin, Clan Mors, Hag Graef, Lybaras
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate provinces:
* Ash River, Crater of The Walking Dead, Dragon Isles, Great Desert of Araby, Great Mortins Delta, Heart of the
Jungle, Kingdom of Beasts, Land of Assassins, Land of the Dervishes, Shifting Sands, Southlands Jungle
* Construct 5 Geomantic Locus
* Destroy factions:
* Clan Eshin, Clan Mors, Hag Graef, Lybaras
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon

### Tlaqua

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate provinces:
* Great Desert of Araby, Great Mortis Delta, Land of Assasins, Land of the Dead, Land of the Dervishes,
Sartosa, Southern Badlands
* Destroy factions:
* Clan Mors, Followers of Nagash, Pirates of Sartosa, The Bloody Handz
* Build 3 Ripperdactyl Hatcheries
* Own 7 Terradons/Ripperdactyls
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate provinces:
* Great Desert of Araby, Great Mortis Delta, Land of Assasins, Land of the Dead, Land of the Dervishes,
Sartosa, Skavenblight, Southern Badlands
* Destroy factions:
* Clan Mors, Clan Skyre, Followers of Nagash, Khemri, Pirates of Sartosa, Greenskins, The Bloody Handz
* Build 5 Ripperdactyl Hatcheries
* Own 15 Terradons/Ripperdactyls
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon

### Cult of Sotek

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Have at least 80% Untained in all the provinces of Lustria
* Construct 3 Crimson Pyramids of Sotek
* Destroy factions
* Clan Fester, Clan Gnaw, Clan Mange, Clan Pestiles, The Awakened, The Blessed Dread, The Huntsmarshal's
Expedition
* Capture 10000 battle captives
* Own 40 Skink units (All variants)
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Have at least 80% Untained in all the provinces of Lustria
* Construct 5 Crimson Pyramids of Sotek
* Construct the Chameleon Shrine
* Destroy factions
* Clan Fester, Clan Gnaw, Clan Mange, Clan Pestiles, Clan Rictus, The Awakened, The Blessed Dread, The
Huntsmarshal's Expedition
* Capture 20000 battle captives
* Own 60 Skink units (All variants)
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon

### Itza

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate all provinces of Lustria
* Destroy factions
* The Blessed Dread, Order of Loremasters, Clan Pestilens, The Huntmarshal's Expedidion, Vampire Coast
* Own 20 Saurus units (All variants)
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Conquer, ally with or assimilate all provinces of Lustria
* Destroy factions
* The Blessed Dread, Order of Loremasters, Clan Pestilens, The Huntmarshal's Expedidion, Vampire Coast, The
Drowned, Cult of Pleasure
* Construct the Vaults of the Old Ones and The Emerald Pools
* Own 30 Saurus units (All variants)
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon

### Spirit of the Jungle

* **Short Victory Conditions**:
* Have your vassal hold 40 settlements
* Destroy factions:
* Bonerattlaz, Clan Moulder, Norsca, Wintertooth, Vampire Counts, Von Carsteins
* Have 1000 Old Ones Favour
* Construct one Exalted Star Chamber
* Own 7 Kroxigors
* **Long Victory Conditions**:
* Have your vassal hold 70 settlements
* Destroy factions:
* Bonerattlaz, Clan Moulder, Clan Skyre, Norsca, Wintertooth, The Huntmarshal's Expedition, Vampire
Counts, Von Carsteins
* Have 1000 Old Ones Favour
* Construct one Exalted Star Chamber
* Own 15 Kroxigors
* Defeat the Chaos Invasion
* Defeat Archaon
cybvep 8 Jul, 2020 @ 6:03am 
I like it :). More differences between factions. Good job.
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