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FFox  [developer] 4 Aug, 2021 @ 8:11am
The MARK2580 fiasco and his attempt to wash his hands. Proof:
Can I edit?

In short, yes... IF you do things the right way and let me know first, we do not make profits from our maps, I do all of them purely for the love of art. Recently MARK2580 took a comission to merge gm_bora and Nita's gm_abstraction_extended and got paid for it. You do not have to do that while we, original authors can do it for you as our kindness if you really wish and it is for your personal use, we can even put it up in the workshop for you.

You do not have to spend money!

Sadly MARK2580 decided to block me and kept me unable to keep discussing. But the point is clear. It is always best to directly talk to the original authors of a map rather than look for someone who WILL CHARGE and decompile, decompiling maps always result in errors and extra efforts. These effors will obviously be more expensive if you decided to pay.

Example:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733814499341107291/872499755081666590/E76_wTCVgAM5bCd.jpg

Sadly this one is a loss for the person who wanted to have his proyect a reality, decided to give money to someone who doesnt deserve while all he had to do was talk to us first and we would have said "yes" under some conditions obviously. But the concept is very clear. Do things the right way, it is always for the best.

The VALVE developer wiki states it super clear, you are free to use all of Source assets as long you do not make profits out of them, this is exactly the case. Mark does profit, not just that but also takes IP from R* Games for the maps and sells them in his Patreon, which is totally not what you want to do if you decide to work with intelectual property. We could have done this ourselves from the beginning.


https://twitter.com/OnagiHanzo/status/1422785743429111808

MARK2580 is also making fun of me in twitter saying that I want money, this is not true, is even accusing me of stealing CSGO models when the valve developer wiki gives you a green light do to so. Do not let yourself get fooled, avoid these "porting services"

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MARK's Deleted stuff, what you cannot longer see:

Original Tweet:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733814499341107291/872510499500216372/unknown.png

MARK2580 making fun of me saying I wanted money:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872214647959355453/872501976900960396/unknown.png (he deleted it, very smart)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733814499341107291/872510511688863815/01.PNG

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733814499341107291/872510515530854411/02.PNG

At this point MARK blocked me, then proceeded to embarass me in public aswell. Dirty move. And accusing me of being the thief.

After that, I got mocked in my other creation bora_lightning with this comment followed by another silly face emoji like laughing, now deleted... no surprise.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733814499341107291/872539038584799232/unknown.png

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Some words from me about this sad episode...

To begin with all of this could have been avoided... Probably... but if he plays dirty......... I wouldnt have done this topic if he had accepted my request to politely talk with all the due respect but seems respect isnt a word on his vocabulary.

It is a real shame people can get this greedy because I had respect for him in the past and his work. Today I was the victim (well two because my map isnt the only one being "fixed", and who knows what others being privately sold no matter how he disguises it)

It even made me sad to see his posts in some other sites like DigitalEro (NSFW site) of him making a topic to please "save" him where he pretty much stated he was starving and literaly motivates us to support his patreon selling map conversions from other games at least for 1 dollar...

I also find it funny... how ironic me and many others being thiefs while all his work is always from others or already made maps/conversions from other games... where is the creativity? And selling re-versions of other people's work?

This Isnt the way......... This is NOT how you do things, especially when you have the talent the recognition from others. "Difamation" playing victim, making fun of. This is what happens when you give to the wrong person more of what he really deserved.

UPDATE:
Today August 24th, 2021. I had to block MARK2580 myself since he wouldnt stop posting stupid comments on my workshop maps despising them, as usual with this same arrogant attitude with the objective of saying my maps (in other words) are sh1t. I've also deleted his comments.

This speaks a lot about his real personality, it is sad to see someone begging on patreon for money to "not have a banal job and find food and shelter" while at the same time, if you take the time to see his other workshop "maps" (yes the commas are on purpose because all his work is just ports, zero creativity, no original content), you can see him mistreating people, "idiot, I dont care" etc etc.

So, TL:DR ....

Markass is a f-word piece of poop. who thinks he is so talented he can go around and screw over smaller creators, begs for money on his patreon but yet all of his content is stolen or made by someone else, then he just adds a price to it under the "I am more talented than you" excuse and play the victim role afterwards. He isnt worth your money.
Last edited by FFox; 15 Jan, 2023 @ 5:19am
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MARK2580 4 Aug, 2021 @ 9:15am 
I didn't block you! do not lie.
MARK2580 4 Aug, 2021 @ 9:18am 
Also, no one ordered me to combine these 2 maps. I just took the skybox from bora because abstraction did not have a normal environment, but just brightly glowing water
FFox  [developer] 4 Aug, 2021 @ 9:19am 
What is done is done. I cannot post in your profile anymore you ignored my request to politely talk
FFox  [developer] 4 Aug, 2021 @ 9:21am 
you are dirty and manipulative, you made fun of me in twitter. saying that I am making cr@ppy maps that I should pay you? did anyone ask? whenever anyone makes something you are the first person to comment and throw cr@p at.... I cant believe I had to make this topic but yes I had to.

What is most imporant is the point of this. I really do it for the love of art. and I want to save people for paying to toxic people

see your contradictions? you told me to talk to your employeer so that is what I am trying to do right now. You took also models from gta and made your maps out of them, that is profiting while here nobody did. and then you say I am the one stealing? no sir, you are very mistaken already

Perhaps you are starving to death and you do anything for a dollar, but if you had some common sense you should have taken the comission? perhaps, but ASK ME first, or talk to your "employeer" about this idea, not just me, you also took abstraction and as you did it with these maps you will do it in future maps

Even if you took the skybox only, the skybox is copyrighted by GMT. And do not lie, because I also saw pictures of my map being edited for "bug fixing" which I never asked for.

All this could have been avoided if there was a request first, but seems the money blinds you.

MY point is this, even if it is personal always talk to the original authors first, we were going to say yes anyways under some terms. Even if it is our errors and bugs those will become OUR errors to fix, not yours.

I wanted to politely talk but I realize the type of person you are, because this? speaks a lot about your inner-self

Also, do not play the "ignorant russian" you are not ignorant, you are very smart, you know how to use modeling tools, porting tools, mapping tools, those are english required. do not cover yourself under the "translation"

of course you will be washing your mouth of how great you are and how sh*t others we are. you can keep bragging how talented and bad optimized other maps are and buggy etc .... but many knew today how you really are

I am upset, upset a professional mapper behaves like a toddler. Your replies to me in your profile... didnt imagine you can go this low, while you comment in other addons you prohibit your stuff to be edited... now you claim you can freely edit other stuff that isnt yours "because it is public domain"??... and also you have the "dignity" to say it is poorly done? ..... damn
Last edited by FFox; 4 Aug, 2021 @ 9:51am
goran_rayman 4 Aug, 2021 @ 10:15am 
This situation is pretty a shame that is happening. The whole Source Engine is made to be used for custom work, mapping or modelling, as long you don't make profits on it. Especially that, on Fox's case, CSGO is a part of the Source Engine, and free anyway now.

But in any case, take someone else work without his authorization, especially if the creator is still active, is NOT a good thing to do. Even for a fix, or whatever. And making profit on someone's back is a real bad thing, no matter the context.

And about the "thief" thing, Fox is using Source Engine assets. Valve clearly agreed that anyone can do it. But what about GTA V assets? Does anyone from Rockstar Games clearly gave his agreements to use their assets for free? And also, using their assets to make profits on Patreon?

This situation is not about being a "terrible mapper", or whatever. It's about the lack of a simple communication between two adults instead of doing a commission in the back of the main creator of a project.
MARK2580 4 Aug, 2021 @ 10:21am 
All I can tell you: I get paid for the port of this map and its revision, this is the same work and the customer understands this. I don't sell it anywhere, I don't write that it is mine, that I made it. This is a regular private order.
Contact the customer and ask him for a percentage of sfm porn videos that he will shoot on this map 🤣

I could have blocked you right away, but I didn't. Most likely this is how the community steam system works, when you reject a friend request, I have noticed more than once that after that about a day you cannot send a second question, perhaps a block is imposed.

Also, I did not claim that you steal models from csgo, I meant that there are no models of your production on this map, on the contrary there are a bunch of my models from gta v and me3.

You have a huge number of useless displacement objects on your map (under water), which contribute to low performance, most of them can be painlessly turned into one big brush and nothing will change in terms of appearance.
Also, I have no idea why it was necessary to divide the water into a bunch of separate brushes, you only reduce performance, the compilers themselves will divide everything as needed.

About objects disappearing right in front of my eyes, I generally keep quiet, This does not help performance in any way, Physical models that load the processor should mainly be hidden.
But static models should hide at a very long distance. There are LODS for the rest of the tasks!
FFox  [developer] 4 Aug, 2021 @ 10:23am 
I am aware of the p*rn, I actually promote this map on DigitalEro. Yes, the guys are aware of all of this. Again you're mixing up things and running away. I will not ask for any percentage, I told you. Do not try to fix it now, it is too late. I saw your patreon, I seen you were playing victim there aswell when another person also pointed you just rip content and add a price to it, and you still bragging and bragging.

We all seen what you wanted to writte. You literally said I am the thief. And took it as another excuse to keep making fun.

Of course you will keep working on it, again this is not about how bad my map is and I dont care about it because for me it is a success already.

BTW: I suspected you would remove more messages so I took this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733814499341107291/872539038584799232/unknown.png
Last edited by FFox; 4 Aug, 2021 @ 12:10pm
RapidRaccoon 4 Aug, 2021 @ 1:56pm 
Mark2580 you should know better that to take others works and try to sell them as your own, even if you altered them when porting the map, this isn't a significant enough change to make it an original work. It's also borderline illegal to sell others works as your own without getting permissions/rights and could easily get your Patreon taken down. My advice for you is that you take down the map and offer a refund to the person who paid before an intermediary legal party gets involved. More traction this gains the worse it will be for you Mark2580, so I recommend you try to amend it rather than gas-lighting FFox about it.
V92 5 Aug, 2021 @ 3:44am 
I have to say this is sadly in line with most of the GMod community.

I don't take map commissions any longer because too many server owners (read: most of them) and too many hired content creators (read: most of them) are willing to throw aside basic ethics and IP laws for the sake of profits.

In my case, I have one simple rule about messing with my crap: just ask me first. It's a simple request, and the minimum of effort shows me who is a decent human being, and who is a garbage human being.

If someone offers you money for something you don't have permission to use/edit, and you don't turn them down - or at least turn down the money - you aren't just lacking in ethics, you're an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

The most you can do is sadly file a DMCA or a report on their accounts, and hopefully have action taken against them. A lot of these services like Patreon will very quickly take action, and in most cases terminate or suspend the offending accounts.

From my experience being in the same boat as FFox, your best option is to go to their Patreon or wherever else the money is exchanged, and submit a report/DMCA claim.

Do it in well-written, tone-neutral, and - most importantly - respectful and calm writing. Detail exactly what is stolen, with as much proof as you can possibly shoehorn in. Leave out personal attacks or bias-style writing, as they undermine your position.

If you make it clear without a doubt that the person making a profit off your work is doing so illegally, they're likely to get removed from the service(s) and you might even see a kickback in the best of situations.

Patreon has a support email, here.[support.patreon.com] You should be able to use this to file a takedown notice on his Patreon. They have another page here with more information[support.patreon.com].
Last edited by V92; 5 Aug, 2021 @ 4:16am
Siluva 18 Aug, 2021 @ 12:21pm 
I do have a lot of respect for MARK2580 and his incredible work, but let's give credit where it's due : that's an awful move and I'm kinda disappointed, someone with such skill doing such things baffle me.
And I won't talk about the "employer" who should simply see his rights to use the Workshop and Source SDK overall removed, engaging people to do the dirty and illegal job? Just to slap your name on it at the end? GTFO

Modders locking content behind a paywall, or charging for services related to the Source Engine should be careful.

Valve is pretty cool with that and don't really mind about people making a couple of bucks with some Source Engine but guys beware, read the ToS / EULA and you will notice that what you're doing is wrong. The day Valve (or some other third party companies) decide to kick in and and distribute sanctions, some people out there will see their rights to use SteamWorks tools and services removed.

I know a couple of people who had a couple of DMCA strikes and can't publish on the Workshop anymore despise their mod being available for free. So now imagine for "paid mods".

As for mappers, I recommend you to use heavy obfuscator(s) alongside other anti-decompile protections.
RASPUTIN29 20 Aug, 2021 @ 2:01pm 
Hello this is Onagi. i have received no contact from you about this. I was contacted on twitter by someone on your behalf. and have been waiting for almost 2 weeks now for a conformation on this issue, and heard nothing back. you can find me on twitter @OnagiHanzo or email me directly at onagiart@gmail.com.
FFox  [developer] 20 Aug, 2021 @ 3:13pm 
I will add you, yes, I dont have a twitter account and I dont plan to make one so that is my explanation for the delays but yes we need to talk,... with all due respect obviously. I tried to sent a message again but seems it got lost.... this will make things so much better for all of us and put an end to this with luck! my only contacts are steam and discord.
Last edited by FFox; 20 Aug, 2021 @ 3:14pm
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