Hey hey.

Lithuanian lands of Nemunas and Skalva. These lands shouldn't be divided since Klaipėda and Skalva are actually one region with Skalva being the region and Klaipėda the initial settlement later named Memelburg but that's off topic + (it's shouldn't be included to Žemaitija (Samogitia), but actually Skalvia) I would keep the name Klaipėda, since that's the name of the settlement, while Nemunas is just the name for the river and the translation from the German name Memel.

Raseiniai settlement. would definitely keep the name Raseiniai, since it is very old and pretty significant place for Žemaitija (Samogitian) lands.

Kiaunas - spelling error (should be Kaunas)

Sūduva and Panemunė is pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up since they are and suppose to be the same region (same as Skalva) called either Jotva (land of Jotvingiai) or Sūduva or Dainava (land of the songs Lithuanian name and the most logical tbh). Anyways there are way too much to talk about what's wrong with those two lands, but I guess that's what you call "balancing" in this game. I'd keep the name just adjust it to Sūduva and Dainava (instead of Panemunė) to make it atleast a little bit logical.

Kernavė lands - Krėva instead of Kreva

Latvian Selburg should be Sēlpils or if controlled by Lithuanian Sėlpilis (literally both meaning Selonian castle) however the chiefdom should be either called Sėla (Lithuanian) or Sēlija (Latvian).

Riga chiefdom should be called Zemgale (Latvian) or Žiemgala (Lithuanian) which pretty much means Winter-capable as if to say that the people are capable of surviving the winter. Žiema winter and Gala derives from Gali, galėti which means can do something. (example Gali degti - can burn) just putting a letter -a at the end means that it is a location name. Mostly same goes for any other Baltic land.

anyway, please let me know on your thoughts, concerns and questions. Also, I will definitely add more regarding the Baltic region!

Linkėjimai,
Gerix

Hi, Gerix and welcome to the mod!

Your suggestions are kind of confusing to me, so please bear with me and answer to some of my questions, so I can reasonably decide what to accept and what rather not.

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At first I'd like to make sure that you've at least checked the Current holding names list[mchn.wz.cz], where I explain the way I'm looking at every single name.

Some of your comments makes me feel like you did check it, but, well, it never hurts to ask anyway.

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Are you Lithuanian or Latvian native speaker? As far as I can tell, you're most likely Lithuanian, so I'll be using Lithuanian wiki sources in this comment, but if you're Latvian, let me know, so we can end up on the same page.

Now, up to your suggestions...

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About that "Nemunas" and "Skalva"...

Okay, so it's pretty much as you said. This "Nemunas" is actually the "Memelburg", present day "Klaipėda", but this "Klaipėda" name existed only since 15th century. In the middle ages, it was still named after the river, so that's why I translated it as "Nemunas" in the game.

I'm doing the same for every language in this mod, so unles there is something directly wrong with that name, I don't see any reason to change it.

And I'm only translating the names in this mod, so I can't change how the devs decided to split the regions. There are much more similar place I'd change if I could, but that's above the mod I'm making.

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c_raseiniai, b_raseiniai

Okay, I did this exception for some places before, but are you sure? Isn't "Lūšiai" pretty much more natural?

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b_kaunas

Fixed. It will appear in the next version as "Kaunas" "Kaunian".

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c_angerburg and c_yatvyagi/b_panemune

No, those are actually different places.

c_angerburg represents a region called Dainava/Sūduva/Jotva as you said.

c_yatvyagi/b_panemune is simply a region named after one of those settlements[lt.wikipedia.org]. (I don't remember which was it right now, but you should be able to see it on the map.)

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"Kernavė lands - Krėva instead of Kreva"

I can't see any "Krėva" or "Kreva" anywhere... ?

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c_selpils, b_selpils

Which came first: the chicken or the egg?

Okay, it's pretty possible that this only one "Selburg" is named after the Selonian people, as you said, but it can also be the other way around (the people around "Selburg" were called Selonians later).

Even the name "Sėliai"/"Sēļi", might not come from Livonian "Sälli" = "Highlanders", but from Slavic "Selo", which means "Village" or "Settlement".

There is so much uknown and uncertain about this, so I decided to use the german name "Selburg" as the base, since there is much more "Selburgs" in the Europe and all of them derives from the german "Selb", which means "Self".

I can be wrong about this one, but you can be as well.

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Zemgale/Žiemgala

My own comment says:

"Zemgaļi" is a medieval name for one of the groups of Western Baltic tribes. It doesn't make sense here, so I'm naming it after the main holding.

So, yeah, I understand the meaning, especially now when you've clarify it, but still you're too much focused on naming the counties differently than the main holding.

Some regions may have it's original name, but if you're looking for "Riga" (which is a duchy capital), you're supposed to find it even as a person completely oblivious to the baltic issues.

This is much more practical here.

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So, that's it. I hope I didn't discourage you from continuing on this mod, but this is just the way I speak. :)

Thanks

Hey there,

To start off I'd like to apologize. you're right it is Memel/Nemunas and not Klaipėda as it's the name of the settlement founded by the germans in the baltic lands.

Lūšiai - could you please share some information regarding your decision, because I am clueless as to what is it.

Yatvyagi/Suduva region. I might've been misunderstood, but it's okay, I'll do my best to explain. The names shouldn't be divided as it means the same and are just synonyms of one another. Meaning that Sūduva, Jotva (or Jot-u-va), Dainava is one and the same region just with different synonyms (just as Lihuanians can also be called Aukštaitians meaning upper-lands) presented here: https://steamhost.cn. angerburg (Lithuanian Ungura) shouldn't be attached to Sūduva, but instead to Nadruva (Prussian Nadrāuwa) which is not even present on the map thus making it very difficult to discuss this topic. The map is key to understanding the base territorial lands of Jotuvian people.
The true Panemunė settlement yet again in Skalvian lands leading to this never ending confusion. I'd honestly rather answer your questions regarding this topic as it would help me understand and assist you more efficiently. If you have any questions, please definitely let me know.

Chiefdom of Kernavė has a holding called Kreva, it should bė Krėva.

Sėla is most likely coming from Livonian Salli, as another word for Sėla in Latvian/Lithuanian is Augšzeme meaning the same as Salli. (Many hill fort in that region hence the name).

I do not understand the reason behind the Riga county not being Zemgale, as it is way more appropriate for this specific region. Please elaborate.

It is somewhat hard to determine your exact plans for this mod, as some of your naming do not match the era nor does it lead to the reliable sources, therefore robbing of the linguistic authenticity.

Lūšiai

Well, I pretty much went from the fact, that "Raseiniai"/"Rysev" derives from "Rys'", which is an animal with the Latin name "Lynx", "Lūšis" in Lithuanian, "Lūsis" in Latvian, so I made "Lūšiai" from that since it has the same termination as "Raseiniai".

But as I said, if you think that the name "Raseiniai" is way much significant for Lithuanians, I can change it back.

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Yatvyagi/Suduva region...

Think I actually understand you, but it doesn't seem like we're on the same page here, because as you said, the problem about this region is generally confusing.

For example, for me, as a native Slavic speaker, I can tell that "Sūduva", "Dainava" and "Yatvyagi" names are all obviously of a Slavic origin, but everybody claims that those are Baltic tribes, so I'm generally not sure what to think about it and just use it, because you seem to considering it to be part of your culture.

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"Chiefdom of Kernavė has a holding called Kreva, it should bė Krėva."

I double checked the data and there is no "Kreva" anywhere. Is there a possible misspell from your side? Both "c_kernave" and "b_kernave" contains only this data:

Czech: "Krnava" "Krnavian"
Slovak: "Krnava" "Krnavian"
Upper Sorbian: "Karnawa" "Karnawian"
Lower Sorbian: "Karnawa" "Karnawian"
Polish: "Karnawa" "Karnawian"
Croatian: "Krnava" "Krnavian"
Bosnian: "Krnava" "Krnavian"
Serbian: "Krnava" "Krnavian"
Bulgarian: "Krŭnava" "Krŭnavian"
Russian: "Kranva" "Kranvian"
German: "Krüppau" "Krüppauan"
Lithuanian: "Kernavė" "Kernavian"
Latvian: "Ķērnava" "Ķērnavian"

As I said, no "Kreva" here. Did you possibly mean that it should be here?

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c_selpils, b_selpils

Most likely or not, it depends how you look at it. Your version is possibly valid just like the others and you still didn't add anything more that would change my mind.

You see, sometimes it happens that the name has totaly different origin that it seems to be on the first glance.

For example, in the middle of europe, there is a holding named "Žatec", which obviously seem to originate from "Žatva", meaning "Grain harvest". But if you look into the history, the original name was "Zaczeczie", which means "Behind Czechia", something totaly else.

Here it was luckily recorded, but we know next to nothing about why "Selburg" was named "Selburg". It's only speculation, no matter how much sense it may seem to have.

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Zemgale/Žiemgala

Up today I've translated names of 13 kingdoms and only "Lithuania" and "Croatia" has so many original county names, really.

The duchy of "Prussia" is the worst, actually, every county here has a name after some tribe (of people being like this or like that).

It's so confusing!

Now, I understand that for you it may be more natural, that's why I kept it there in your cultures, but "Riga" is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ kingdom capital and if you're for example Polish ruler looking for "Riga" on the map, you should be able to find it.

If you name it "Zemgale", then the game behaves like "Zemgale" is kingdom capital, which isn't. "Riga" should be the kingdom capital, not the region.

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Authenticity...

Yeah, this is an actual problem here. I don't have the time to explain it thoughtfully now, but there is a problem. I'll explain it later, but now I need to go.

See you