Gothic II: Gold Classic

Gothic II: Gold Classic

Velen 2.0 - A standalone modification for Gothic II
Grimman 22 Apr, 2022 @ 1:12am
english subs with german dubb?
Hello I installed velen through spine on a gog copy of the game.Does anyone know how to make english subs work with german vo? If I play in german the vo work but subs in german. If I use english subs the vo is non existant somehow they cancel each other out. Should I just buy the steam version and use workshop to install the mod or is that not viable? Any ideas?
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Der Kurator  [developer] 25 Apr, 2022 @ 10:05am 
Hi! That shouldn't be necessary. I've just updated the Mod on Spine and added the German VO to the Ini-File of the mod, could you install this update and tell me if it works?
Grimman 25 Apr, 2022 @ 5:28pm 
I tried the spine version but it didn't work even with the correct ini file update from nexusmods.The steam version works with the eng subs and german vo but is it ok to use? I saw in your previous comment you said that the mod from the workshop has some problems and it's better to install manually files from modnexus or use spine version.Also in the steam version I used the beta with the mod launcher but the performance was all over the place so I installed the steamfix from github on top and it runs much better.Should the steamfix influence the mod in any way? or is it already present in the beta version of steam? It did change the playerkit and systempack to newer version in the game menu but don't know if the newer versions break the game or not
Der Kurator  [developer] 25 Apr, 2022 @ 6:32pm 
Okay, that is strange. I think that the two VO files (~2GB if I remember correct) are missing in your Velen installation folder which you have downloaded via Spine. You could try to completely reinstall the mod there, cause normally it also should download this two files for the English version now since the latest update, which I've released today, but there could also be a problem with Spine itself so that it still doesn't download this stuff.

It's safe to use the Steam Version of the modification, the only problem with it is, that it sometimes plays wrong VO files when interacting with locked doors for example or that there is no VO at all when interacting with something. Tbh I really don't know what causes this problem, must be a problem with the Gothic 2 Steam Workshop Mod-Launcher, cause everything works perfect when using the exact same Velen files from the Steam Workshop but without Steam and the new Mod Launcher, but that's the only known problem with the Steam Workshop version so far.

For the performance issues: You should definitelly install the latest version of the Gothic 2 Systempack, but it should normally already be included in the Steam version of G1 and G2. Never heard of that Steam fix that you are mentioning so far tbh do I can't say anything about it. Are you also using any other Patches / Mods at the same time?
If you are only having performance issues with Velen itself, I can tell you that this mod really is a bit unoptimized which was caused by lacking experience back in the days. There are many things that I would make completely different today, but sadly I don't have the time and also not the motivation for rewriting a big part of the code. However, it normally shouldn't be unplayable. It could be that you see a ~40 fps framerate sometimes, especially when playing without the D3D11 Renderer, but that shouldn't be the case that often. If you also have performance issues in other mods and even in the main game itself, you could try the following:

Open your Gothic.ini which is located in your Gothic 2 / System folder and open it with a Editor. There you search the entry "zStartupWindowed" and set the value from 0 to 1. Then you open the Systempack.ini which is also located in the same folder, in this file you change the value of "borderlessWindow" to 1. Don't forget to save both files after you've done the changes.
Grimman 25 Apr, 2022 @ 7:43pm 
this is the fix I was referring to https://github.com/dosinabox/g2_steam_fix/releases/tag/12.21 I think it comes with the playerkit systempack and 4gb ram patch maybe something else.I haven't installed any other mods not even the never system pack now named union maybe it might help.But I'll try the dx11 files I didn't use them because I thought they might make the game run worse since it ups the graphics.Outside populated areas it's ok but stutters pretty bad when I am near bodies of water or towns with lots of nps's changing the graphic settings doesn't help either.I use an omen laptop with 10750h and 2080 super it doesn't have an integrated graphics card so it must be using the dedicated one also I've capped it at 72fps instead of the 144hz so it should go ok but i falls to 20fps in some places.Thanks for the reply it's very helpful fingers crossed the dx11 files smooth out the frames
Der Kurator  [developer] 25 Apr, 2022 @ 10:34pm 
Ok, with that laptop I would definitelly recommend you the Renderer. It could be that the game will have a even worse performance if you would have a very weak PC, but I think that there should be a performance boost on almost every newer PC with a dedicated GPU. I remember that I played one of the first versions of the Renderer back in the days while only having a GTX 560 Ti and even with that card there was a noticeable performance boost compared to the original game. Since then a lot happened and the Renderer has even been improved. The reason for the better performance, even with all the new effects, is that Gothic wasn't optimized for the computers that we have nowdays, back then it was better to simply let the CPU do the most instead of the "weak" GPUs, but nowdays with all the powerful GPUs that of course that doesn't make much sense anymore, the GPUs true performance is barely getting used by the game. The renderer "fixes" this problem. You can even disable almost every new effect to keep the original games feeling as much as possible, that way you can even get some more fps. I can tell you that with the renderer enabled with a RTX 3060 Ti which has a very similar performance as the 2080 Super I can get up to 120 fps more compared to the original game, even with the highest settings. My GPU is a desktop GPU, but the difference shouldn't be too big.

Also I would recommend you to install the newest version of Union (which should also be available here in the Workshop; It replaces the Systempack, as you already mentioned and it also allows you to use Union Plugins if you want), I'm not sure if the Steam Fix already includes that version. Also you could again try do "install" the 4GB patch manually, especially when using the renderer.
Last edited by Der Kurator; 25 Apr, 2022 @ 10:40pm
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