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AI General 3
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Naustghoul 13 Jun, 2024 @ 1:04pm
For paperpancake concerning Orion CTD
Running 5.0.4

Mod List in load order:
Map Replacer Framework (With Extra Assets)
Unique Faction UI
Eviltide Trading - Diplomacy & Resources
ForgeAgeddon - Custom Item Crafting
Tier Four & Five Settlements For Vanilla Factions - Compilation
Shorter Weapon Trails
Too Many Active Skills Working for 4.x (Not Updated)
More Ability and Spell Buttons
Equipment Manager
Animation Table rework for stupid animations (Compatible with all mods)
MIXER - Mixu's Unlocker
Building Slots Extended
Building Slots Extended - Six Building Slots for Minor Settlements Submod
Building Slots Extended - Tier 4 / Tier 5 Minor Settlements Compatibility Submod - Six Building Slots Version
Immortal Empires Expanded [Requires Mixer!]
Landmarks of Legend
Old World Rites - WH3 Edition [BETA]
better friendly fire mod
Item Slots Increased
ULTIMATE LIGHTING 2.0 (UPDATED)
Garrison Training
Better Camera Mod
Reasonable Reliability Penalties
Permanent Summons
Factionwide Resource Bonuses Enhanced
Brighter Borders
More Giant Attack Animation
Building Progression Icons III
Unlock All Building Slots
Climate Adaptation - Faster Version
Z's English Submod
More Ancillary Equipment Slots
More Ogre Mercenaries
Unlock All Skills
Unlock All Achievements
Organic AI Overhaul
Disable startup splash screens / intros
Hooveric Reskin (HV Reskin)
Dynamic World
GCCM: Beta
All Big Names Enabled - updated for chorfs!
Mixu's Legendary Lords
Mixu's Legendary Lords: Asset Pack
AI General 3
ai no more retreat in Campaign map (update)
Cataph's Comfy Encamp
Cannon Targeting Fix ALL FACTIONS
Seasons and Holidays
Walls For Norsca
Dismemberment Overhaul: Ultimate All-In-One
Campaign Configuration Mod
Softer Corruption Graphics
Army Carousel
Quick Building Upgrade
Unique Faction Currencies
No Diplomatic Penalty for "Too Many Trade Partners"
No Strategic Threat Diplomatic Penalty
Gifts of Athel Loren - Unit Upgrades for the Wood Elves
Better Behaved Allies - No Ally vs Vassal Wars
Easier Confederations & Vassals
Fog Outta Here!
Forge of Daith for Wood Elves
No Real Time Building
[QoL] Fuse Auto Sort (Rarity + Category)
Execute (useless) Lords & Heroes
Trade Any Settlement
Galleons Graveyard Redone for All
Mod Configuration Tool - v0.9 Beta
Improved_Item_Fusion_FRIGG_UPDATED (might not be updating later; read description)
Infinite Respec
Shattered Units Are Vulnerable - Larger Speed Penalty
Less AI Cheating (campaign)
Less buff and effect VFX 3
Dragon Breath Wind Spells
Decline Diplomacy
Miscast Mod - Big Loud Exciting Miscasts (Updated)
No More AI Attrition Immunity
More Animation
no regen cap无回血上限（永远有效 always valid）.pack
Ye Olde Skool Gotrek and Felix! (Please read description)
Fudging Vassals
Console Commands (Modding Tool), the mod works 100000% please just use it and enable the script break warning
Viable Raiding Income
No Rune Forge Animations
Resized Lords Heroes 3
Save Camera Settings
Ogre Diplomacy - Lorefully Neutral Ogres
Grandolph's Simple Dynamic Settlements Reborn
Recruit Defeated Legendary Lords
Speedy Turn Camera
Stationary Vortex Spells
No Siege Battle Autoresolve Bonus
Minor Settlement Battle Returner
Tier 3 Walls Returned
New Legendary Lord and Hero Artefacts Warhammer 3 Updated
More Item Slots (Explanded item slots) - 3 item version
Artefacts of Legends
Unrelenting Undead
Painful Pooh's Premium Lv 100 X2 + New Skill Dumps (Mod Compatible)
Waka's Campaign Land Battles (WCLB) Map Pack
Wood Elf Arrows Ignore Trees [2024 db.pack update]
Tech-Tree Compilation (New Version)
Winds of Magic Overhaul
Wood Elf Cities and Towns (Settle Anywhere)
wood elf teleportation cooldown removed
[Mod] Wood Elves: The Ritual of Rebirth
Worthy Warcry (For Epic Battle Audio)
Community Bug Fix Mod - Game v5, Batch 2

No issues running other lists that have you mod in them (chorfs, dwarves, etc...) Hell, you are one of the base line mods that I build my lists around (thanks for that btw.) But I have not run just your mod with Orion yet to test validity. Will try again tonight after kid asleep and I can bug hunt if it is a conflict or something that may be glitching in your mod.
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paperpancake  [developer] 13 Jun, 2024 @ 2:41pm 
Wow, quite the mod list! Thanks for the follow-up. I skimmed it and did some spot checking, but nothing jumped out at me as a culprit (ofc, I'm only familiar with a fraction of them). A few additional questions:

1. At what point is the CTD? (during battle load, when starting the battle, when assigning units to the AI, at victory, when ending the battle, etc)?

2. If the crash happens any time besides when you assign units to the AI how did you determine that AI General was the cause? Did you try running everything in your mod list without AI General, for example?

3. Does this happen 100% of the time in every kind of Orion battle in which you use AI General? If not, have you noticed any pattern involving what types of battles cause this (e.g. only minor settlement battles, only battles with waywatchers, etc)?

4. (I appreciate you offering to test with just AI General, since that would be useful info as well)
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Naustghoul 13 Jun, 2024 @ 3:13pm 
1. The CTD happens during the battle at anytime that I use the AI button to assign the AI to Orion, not any other units.
2. NA
3. Yup
4. NP, I am going to go check right now.
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Naustghoul 13 Jun, 2024 @ 3:26pm 
Hrrrmmmmmmm...

I started a vanilla Orion with only AI general and ran battles that I started, the AI started, I ran away from then rengaged, siege battles (me getting and giving) and tried starting the battle before using the AI button and assigning the AI control before the battle and no crash.

I am guessing it is in my list of mods then. I will hunt some more and try various permutations of the list and AI general and see if I ever come across the culprit.

Thanks for your mod work, I will keep you up to date if I ever find anything.
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paperpancake  [developer] 13 Jun, 2024 @ 4:20pm 
Interesting. Does the CTD happen immediately even if you give Orion to the AI before the AI starts (during deployment or with configuration), or does it wait to crash after you start the battle?

If it only happens when the battle is in progress, sometimes the AI will try to use abilities immediately. I think some mods in your list affect abilities? When keeping manual control, are you able to use all of Orion's abilities without CTD?

Alternatively, if one of the mods uses Unit Controllers (to give orders to a unit, teleport it, etc), it might not play nice with AI General. When skimming the mod list, I didn't see any, but I could have missed some.

Sometimes UI mods can have incompatibilities because of the AI button, but I briefly tested Unique Faction AI and didn't notice any incompatibility with AI General.

I'll keep mulling it over. I appreciate you saying you'll keep me in the loop. :)
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Naustghoul 13 Jun, 2024 @ 4:24pm 
Yah, I am guessing it is something in the abilities that are modded from my list, those are the culprits I am going to dig into on the first pass. That is due to me never using the AI general until I was into the 'clean up' phase of a battle (most enemy routing, siege entry assured, etc...) so I have never really run the AI general until I am 5-10 mins into a battle already.

And there are no unit controllers (like legions of Nagash with that infinite skeleton generation building) but good shout out to that.
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Naustghoul 22 Jun, 2024 @ 4:16pm 
I am really starting to go blind looking thru and play testing, but I am NOW thinking that you may be right about the amount of abilities causing the crash. There must be a call to memory error somewhere in the logic of the general that your mod allows to take over.

Nothing you can do about that, but it will make people think twice before lambasting you with more and more 'OH THIS DOES NOT WORKKKK BOO HOO' threads and comments.

Thanks for the mod and entertaining my testing this last week.
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