Although French Wikipedia claims that Fabia Eudocia's mother was related to Areobindus and presents it as Settipani's opinion, he does not mention the said connection. I own both Continuité Gentilice and Continuité des élites à Byzance durant les siècles obscurs and they no do not contain such a proposal. The only thing Settipani says about Fabia Eudocia's ancestry is that her father Rogas (whose name he corrected to Fabius Rogatinus) was the son or grandson of Rogatinus, praetorian prefect of Africa in 563. So all of this might be a simple hoax.

Originally posted by Symmachus:

Although French Wikipedia claims that Fabia Eudocia's mother was related to Areobindus and presents it as Settipani's opinion, he does not mention the said connection. I own both Continuité Gentilice and Continuité des élites à Byzance durant les siècles obscurs and they no do not contain such a proposal. The only thing Settipani says about Fabia Eudocia's ancestry is that her father Rogas (whose name he corrected to Fabius Rogatinus) was the son or grandson of Rogatinus, praetorian prefect of Africa in 563. So all of this might be a simple hoax.

Thanks, I'll try to find whether if that claim comes from another source when I'm able and if not remove that connection.

I recall you also suggested a few things regarding emperor Anastasius' ancestry and Flavii. I corrected the Anastasius' family based on that but can you give some more specifics on how Flavii should look?

Fidia Iulia Perpetua is unhistorical - she is only mentioned in the testament of Perpetuus, which was forged by Jérôme Vignier in the 17th century.

I see you still have "Hildis" as daughter of Hilderic the Vandal, so let me again quote an old soc.gen.medieval post debunking this filiation:

"(Jared Linn Olar wrote) Subject: Re: gateway descents from Kings of Vandals, via Kings of Burgundy, via Volsungs of Allemania, Cambresis, & Denmark Date: 18 Jun 2004 10:05:37 -0700 References:

david hughes wrote: > gateway descents from Kings of Vandals, via Kings of Burgundy, via > Volsungs of Allemania, Cambresis, & Denmark > ------------------------------------------------------------- > 10. Hilderic, Vandal-King 523-530 deposed, d533 > issue: > a. Gormund, Byzantine Governor of North Africa 534-543, father of > Hilde, wife of Valdar "The Dane" > b. Hilde, wife of Frode VII, King of Denmark

"Gormund" is mentioned in Geoffrey of Monmouth's "History of the Kings of Britain" as a king of Germans in Africa who led an invasion of Ireland and Britain during the reign of a Briton king named Careticus (Ceretic) in the latter half of the 500s A.D. Careticus supposedly was successful in beating back with terrible invasion, though historical records don't mention anything of it. I believe Geoffrey got the story of Gormund from someone -- I don't think it was original with Geofrrey, but I don't know where he might have heard it. In any event, I'm aware of no reason to believe Gormund ever existed, let alone that he was a son of Hilderic, King of the Vandals.

As for Hilde, daughter of Hilderic, I've seen that spurious filiation several times. It's based on a medieval Icelandic legendary pedigree of Ivar Vidfadmi, a legendary conquering king of Scania, Denmark, Sweden, Russia, and Northumbria who, again, may not have existed. The pedigree first appears, I believe, in certain manuscripts of the Hervarar Saga ok Heithreks Konungs. Ivar was supposedly descended from a princess named Hild, daughter of Heidrik (Heithrekr) Ulfham, King of Reidgothaland, traditionally identified as Jutland and/or Mecklenburg. However, I've not yet found any early texts that identify Hild's husband as Frode -- Hervarar Saga says she married a Danish king named Valdar, but other Old Icelandic sources show Valdar as an apparent descendant, not husband, of Hild.

Since the area of Heidrik's kingdom was associated with both the German Vandals and the Slavic Wends, and since some later writers came up with a false theory that the Vandals and the Wends were the same people, someone came up with the idea that Heidrik Ulfham was a legendary memory of the historical Vandal king Hilderic, and thus invented a descent from the Vandal kings through the legendary kings of Denmark and Sweden. However, there is simply no proof that Heidrik Ulfham was Hilderic -- the names might seem similar, but just as the Frankish royal name Hilderic is found in Old Icelandic texts as Hjalprekr, so we should expect a Vandal king named Hilderic to be mentioned in Old Icelandic texts as Hjaldrekr, or something like that, not Heithrekr. Again, the legends of Heidrik Ulfham never associate him with Africa, only with Northern Europe -- yet it was well known throughout Europe, even Scandinavia, that the Vandals had migrated to North Africa. One would expect some trace of that in the legends of Heidrek Ulfham if it were true that he was based on the historical Hilderic the Vandal.

At your service,

Jared L. Olar"

David Hughes who made this identification is an infamous pseudo-scholar. It seems like he just makes some of his stuff up. For example, Hughes in all seriousness claimed that Theodora (wife of Justinian) was the descendant of Zenobia and Cleopatra.

Spanish Wikipedia says that Heidrek Ulfham is Hermanaric.

Originally posted by Symmachus:

Fidia Iulia Perpetua is unhistorical - she is only mentioned in the testament of Perpetuus, which was forged by Jérôme Vignier in the 17th century.

Removed for the next update, thanks.

Originally posted by Symmachus:

I see you still have "Hildis" as daughter of Hilderic the Vandal, so let me again quote an old soc.gen.medieval post debunking this filiation:

I won't remove her because Hilderic had children and grandchildren. Their names and genders aren't known so this at least gives a name. I was going to remove her connection to Danes though but forgot, thanks for reminding.

Peter wasn't the member of Phokas family. The sources describe him as a servant (δοῦλος or θεράπων) of the Phokades. He was believed to be the son of Leo Phokas because of an incorrect translation of one phrase in Zonaras' work. Πέτρος ὁ τοῦ Φωκᾶ was misintrepeted as Petros, son of Phokas, while in fact it simply denotes his association with the family. See J-C. Cheynet "Les Phocas" and Peter's entry in PMBZ (Petros 26496).

Originally posted by Symmachus:

Peter wasn't the member of Phokas family. The sources describe him as a servant (δοῦλος) of the Phokades. He was believed to be the son of Leo Phokas because of an incorrect translation of one phrase in Zonaras' work. Πέτρος ὁ τοῦ Φωκᾶ was misintrepeted as Petros, son of Phokas, while in fact it simply denotes his association with the family. See J-C. Cheynet "Les Phocas" and Peter's entry in PMBZ (Petros 26496).

Thanks, removing him for the next update along with Leosthenes Melissenos.

Do you know of any relative of Patriarch Photios(either his own family or relatives through marriage) who is known for a certainty to have held an office or lived in Italy?

As you said before, Nikolaos Mystikos is said to be born in Italy but possibly related to Photios. He can for a certainty not be son of any of Photios' nieces through Tarasios as his eldest daughter is known to have died sometime around 867 (871 at latest) during childbirth, after being married for some time with no child. It can also not be a sister of Photios because it is not known for a certaint if he had sisters. He is known to have had other siblings besides his 4 known brothers but I've not seen anything solid on them being sisters, only a mention of possibility and in any case, these sibings are known to have died young, in accidents if I'm not mistaken.

I've also seen another version connecting him to Italy, that he was born in Constantinople but from an aristocratic family from Southern Italy(this version also claims he was somehow related to Photios although doesn't specify).

Due to these, while him being Photios' relative is not a certainty, I'd prefer to keep it that way but not exactly happy placing him as a son to Tarasios.

Sorry if Im bugging but it seems that the Rufius dynasty as well as other non imperial (the non emperors) roman dynasties are missing making them all lowborn, I only tuned on this mod and the problem continued

Originally posted by Huitzi0:

Sorry if Im bugging but it seems that the Rufius dynasty as well as other non imperial (the non emperors) roman dynasties are missing making them all lowborn, I only tuned on this mod and the problem continued

You are not bugging, bug/error reports are welcome as well as any suggestions. I have only now been able to check it out and indeed their dynasties are missing(well they are ther in the files but not shown) and not just that but some characters I've added are not there either. I'm not sure whether if the problem is on this version alone or the one for expanded cultures too and I'm currently unable to check the expanded cultures version as my game is in a previous version to be able to play play Elder Kings mod and I can't update it atm. I'm on the process of moving and packing my home so I think it would be at least a week before I have the time to update the game, control the other version as well to see it has a problem as well and find out what the problem is. In the mean time you can try the other version and hopefully the problem would be with this version alone. Because I update both versions at the same time and with the same things since the only difference between them is the cultures of some characters, I usually just check Expanded Cultures version after updates to see if there are any problems so it is possible that I may have missed an error that only exists in this version and the other version works fine.

I found the problem it was due to a minor problem on one of the new dynasties I added in the last few updates. It had an error so it caused any dynasty below it to be not shown. The problem with some characters not being shown persists so it must've been something unrelated. Thankfully I was able to start the expanded cultures one without it crashing despite running an older version of the game and can confirm that this problem of characters not showing exists only with this version. You can play expanded cultures version for the time being and I'd recommend that one anyway since it adds a whole lot of cultures and greatly improves many of the existing cultures. I just keep this vanilla version running for people who may be using other mods that may be incompatible with cultures expanded.

Thank you so much! cant play this game w/o this mod :))

Glad you enjoy it :). I have only last night finished moving and started to unpack, so it will be sometime before I’ll be able to spend time on this. Worse is I may yet move again within a month, I was going to move in to a friend’s home since his housemate wanted to move out but they couldn’t find a new place by the time I had to move out so I temporarily moved in to a relative but if his housemate is able to move out in the next couple of weeks I’ll move again. Everything considered, it may be well over a month before I can spare the time to fix this. Making additions on the other hand, are easier and much less time consuming besides the research part so I think I’ll be able to return to that sometime within the next week.

Originally posted by Huitzi0:

Thank you so much! cant play this game w/o this mod :))

This version is also fixed now. The problem was a whole lot less complicated than I assumed at first but I only recently got the time to check it out and it did require some time going through the characters to find where the error was located.

Edit: So after that fix I noticed that some more characters weren't appearing but that is also fixed, all the characters that I've added now appear as they should be.

For some reason when I have this mod active, the Greek titles in 867 do not work correctly, ie the Basileus is "Emperor" and the Tourmaches rule over "Magistracies". I have disabled all other mods just to be sure.

Originally posted by Brother Ray:

For some reason when I have this mod active, the Greek titles in 867 do not work correctly, ie the Basileus is "Emperor" and the Tourmaches rule over "Magistracies". I have disabled all other mods just to be sure.

Must have to do with localizations. Got to be honest I hadn't bothered at all with localizations up until now because dynasty names worked fine without them until this dlc and the handful of titles I had added were all for long defunct ones that most people wouldn't see such as Western Rome or Huns and such so never got around to adding localizations for them.

I'll copy over the localization files of the base game with the next update and hopefully it will solve it but if that doesn't work, I don't know when I'll get to it, it's low priority.