lol the fun thing is a lot of big mod dev's disagree like the project brazil team, the froniter team both giant dlc sized mods for Fallout New Vegas and the creator of fnis disagree and the creator of al aton

i dont think its that great of an idea but i agree valve should get very little to no money!

I will never be comfortable with paying for something that by nature is experimental and has the ability to break my game or other mods, however I am more than happy to donate to a modder that provides a mod that I like and I know is well made.

Nope, Worst idea ever. Only reason it was introduced was to line beth and valves pockets. Look at the profit ratios that were published on the nexus. 40% of the money goes to Beth, 35% to valve and 25% to you for content you worked your ass off to create. This change was introduced with beth and valves interests at heart, not modders or the communities.

75% for Steam, only 25% for the modder. All is said

It doesn't matter if you agree or not. Beth and Valve are making a money grab, and there isn't anything we can do to change that. They hold all the cards, both legally and and financially. Morality, ethics, and public opinion don't play into it from their point of view.

It's all over but the shouting, and modders and mod lovers are the only ones left shouting. There is no dialogue. They've done it, and they're just going to ignore us now. Oh yes... and rake in the cash from those stupid enough to play along with them.

Also, I'll bet that this will be the business plan for making games from the start. A game will be from its inception an ever increasing mod where the modders will build the game for sweatshop wages and the people owning the trademark and advertising money will bulldoze in the lion's share essentially without risk or effort. Done the right way, scams can be legal, and even be hailed as excellent innovative business practice in the business journals and the business school classrooms around the world. The reality of modern business is that it's no longer about satisfying the customer, its about satisfying the share holder or business owner, who are by nature insatiable, else they would be quickly out-competed for money which is a limited resource.

I think they should have an option to fund the mod dev if they want to, not force you to.

I don't think any of you here understand the truth behind any of this.
It's completely moral to allow somebody to work for money, and then take 75% of all that person's earnings for no apaprent reason(since you practically invented the term 'Fort Knox' after you hollowed out mount everest to use as a safe for all your money), even though the modder did all the work & you just sat at a desk watching money pour into your bank account

For those of you who are going to reply to me, remember one word : 'Sarcasm'

I mean seriously, if it was 5% to 10% that went to valve, that'd be pretty fair, since that'd at least cover the cost of the server upkeep(Steam workshop servers), and given that valve is providing a domain for you to publish your work, and since valve is marketing your product via their Steam Workshop service, i can see why that'd be fair, and 5% going to the game devs would kind-of-maybe-sort-of be fair, even though you've allready payed money to the devs in order to get the game in order to mod it in the first place, but yeah. I guess 5% going to the game devs would be somewhat fair given that you're using their game to create content, giving 5% would help them with any other projects they're making(in the case of Skyrim, the money is likely to go towards Elder Scrolls Online's development. For those of you who aren't mathematically gifted, that leaves either 90% or 85% of the money to go to the person who did all the work of making the mod in the first place, which (i think) is fair after they're the one who is actually putting the work in.

But if you stamp on the 90% to 85% of the money going to the person who'se done the modding work and instead go for 25%, then i'm offended hugely by your lack of morality. I understand that Bethesda taking 50% is probably so they can pour more finance into The Elder Scrolls Online game, but c'mon, think about the person who'se doing the work here! If people wanted to fund TESO then they'd go and find some way to send their money to bethesda directly!

One other thing to remember (It's in the small print and the legalese, but none-the-less it's there), as soon as you upload anything to Steam it becomes their property, but you retain all liability. That means that they can make you remove it from other web sites if they want to (and I'll bet they'll want to considering the money involved), but leaves you stuck with all liability if someone decides to take legal action regarding your mod, even if it's a frivolous or baseless suit. It's also like an accident in love making because you're responsible for supporting it for the rest of your life. Once again Steam/Valve own it,but all the responsability is on you. Even if someone finds it 50 years from now and demands help with it.

This a lot worse than it seems on the surface, and holds the potential to be far more insidious.

The idea that they get any money from creations makes my skin crawl and the fact that some well renown modders were so quick to jump into this scam. yes you get paid but you also get paid pennies on the dollar of what you set the price of your item too. it's literally pyramid scheme that will blow up in their face later and who will be on top laughing valve.

What the Modding Community needs is a DONATION button, an optional choice of donating a bit of money to said mod creators(s), along with Valve gaining no money from the donation, because that would make them look even more like the greedy little gremlins they are.

Yeh valve needs to not take such a large cut. Dota is different they run servers, its f2p, they own the rights, etc. There are so many differences. And I do want modders to be able to leverage their work for a career doing what they love. I remember how amazing it was to see Red Orchestra go from a mod to getting the gaming equivelent of a "record deal." Plenty of artists sell their music before they get signed to a big studio for distribution, the difference is here valve really doesnt take a risk by having modders upload their content whereas record companies (not that we cry for them) sign and spend money promoting and paying artists. This is really glossing over the details of the music industry but still a fair comparrison I feel.

Originally posted by Twisted:

The idea that they get any money from creations makes my skin crawl and the fact that some well renown modders were so quick to jump into this scam. yes you get paid but you also get paid pennies on the dollar of what you set the price of your item too. it's literally pyramid scheme that will blow up in their face later and who will be on top laughing valve.

Originally posted by Sny_Vs_Spyper:

But if you stamp on the 90% to 85% of the money going to the person who'se done the modding work and instead go for 25%, then i'm offended hugely by your lack of morality. I understand that Bethesda taking 50% is probably so they can pour more finance into The Elder Scrolls Online game, but c'mon, think about the person who'se doing the work here! If people wanted to fund TESO then they'd go and find some way to send their money to bethesda directly!

This would be a new practice for video game developers and publishers. Make a bare-bones base game and skim profits from the modding community. Sorry, not skim, more like gouge.

This is greed pure and simple.

Originally posted by Cuddles:

This would be a new practice for video game developers and publishers. Make a bare-bones base game and skim profits from the modding community. Sorry, not skim, more like gouge.

This is greed pure and simple.

Damn right. If it's financially benefiting the original creator of the game, call it what it is : Third-party DLC