Dota 2
Realm of Chaos
Nagato 2 Apr, 2016 @ 1:18am
Help with itemization for Cloud
So I recently started this game with a couple of friends and we were able to finish easy mode. We decided to try hard mode and i have really hard time progressing with cloud.

Early-Mid game i have difficulty killing Tortoise / White tiger / DK / Phoenix. I usually go for penta ghost shoes + 7, stealth robe, iron sword +7 and random helmets and trinkets, but its not working out and I'm totally lost as to why. I usually have to ask my friends to tank the nukes from them at least twice so i can get the last hit. It only gets worse after that. I can't face Lina / kunkka / doom as well. Does cloud need the Stigmata set from the trial demons ?


Can someone help me with out the with the ideal itemization for this hero ?

As in early game -> before 3rd skill -> before 4th skill -> before Buddha and before Fuxi.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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Huun 2 Apr, 2016 @ 5:33am 
hah. Too weak equipment.
You need sword +10 mastery, other things not so important.
But penta shoes and invisible robe too weak for hard, need another set for armor/hp.
Nagato 2 Apr, 2016 @ 6:11am 
Can you suggest any other set which might be useful ?
Junker 2 Apr, 2016 @ 11:06am 
1. Stealth-robe (+7) + Penta-ghost shoes (+10), any weapon +10 (really huge different betveen 7 and 10), x2 Poisoned-Ring (from spiders).
2. After have +10 weapon - complete Class quest and dress class hat.
3. Complete 3rd skill quest and continue farm bosses for quadrant set, then enchant armor +10. And dont remember to kill Dragon of ... (Looks like Winter Wywern) for Good&Evil Trinket.
4. Next set that i collect and enchant +10 - Harleqin Set. Shoes from Lion Camel King, Helmet from Tota King, Armor from Ancester of the Dead River (total armor from set ~1150). Trinket - Kill Sky and Kill Earth From Brahma and Lust(not sure with name, but looks like Lina).
5. Nice trinket may be forging from items thats drops from x4 Silencers in Heaven zone. This trinket give you huge lifesteal.
6. Next top armor set drops from Ku-Peng, Foxy and boss looks like Doom, but i cant pass so far and dont know really power.
7. Dont remember to collect fire and water essence for top1 trinket in this map. Top2/3 - forged from items that drops from Fire and Storm Panda's (but trinket from x4 silencers nice too). Top4 - drop from boss looks like Dragon Knight (not in dragon's form) in Heaven zone.
The_Deku_Nutt 2 Apr, 2016 @ 12:05pm 
Getting a +10 weapon as soon as possible should always be a top priority. Usually I max the starting weapon to 10, and just stick with that until I can buy the +12 mastery weapon with points.

After that I just focus on the Chaos forged weapon. That will carry you to the end of the game. If you get lucky you might get your class weapon when you kill your first Saint, which is a base 30 mastery weapon.
Nagato 3 Apr, 2016 @ 12:49am 
Thanks for your reply guys. I'll try it out.
Nagato 3 Apr, 2016 @ 12:52am 
Also @JunkerM what do you mean by class quest? Is it the trial demons which provides 3 S class items upon providing ancient tablets?
Thanks in advance.
Junker 3 Apr, 2016 @ 4:51am 
Originally posted by Nagato:
Also @JunkerM what do you mean by class quest? Is it the trial demons which provides 3 S class items upon providing ancient tablets?
Thanks in advance.

Yes, exactly.
wasabi- 4 Apr, 2016 @ 12:51am 
With Cloud you can stick to the class set, since everything he really needs is a ton of mastery, which that set provides plenty of. The only problem is that you play with friends, and may not have enough points to upgrade your full set and get the +25 mastery weapon for everyone, not to mention the T1 trinket that requires the stone.

As for the 4 silencers trinket, it's not very useful for lifesteal, since you pretty much only fight with your 3rd or 4th skills up, not taking damage.

Get your friend with Phoebe to defend like the first 20 waves solo, to be sure not to waste any points, get your initial weapon to +10 to not waste time, and I like to keep the penta ghost shoes for the majority of the game, as said, dont forget to collect the fiery and watery essences. You can even get 2 T1 trinkets and get a LOT of mastery. Always check the high level drops to see if they are making some pretty sick sets, buddha area helm and shoes and pangu armor mainly.

Useful scrolls:
Innerfish from Slark, really useful early game to boost your DPS. Possession on weapon.
Venomute scroll from spider to stop monsters regen if you cant kill them in one try. Possession on trinket.
Scroll from Omniknight with % to double your mastery for a couple seconds. Possession on weapon iirc.
Scroll from PA (before the dragon) on the sea area, +3 sword mastery. Shares spot with the above.
Scroll from Lina on hell, +500 HP on hit.
Scroll from Monkey King, +100 armor. Applies on armor.
Scroll from CM on heaven, +200 move speed. Applies on boots.
Scroll from Haotian God (Necro on heaven), +200 armor. Applies on helmet.
Scroll from Buddha (Natures Prophet), +5 to mastery. Applies on weapon.
Scroll from Xuan Yuan (iirc), 70% evasion. Applies on armor.
Scroll from some Saints
+8 to mastery. Applies on weapon.
+5 to mastery. Applies on trinket.
+150 armor. Apllies on armor.
There are a couple of others that I didnt figure completely out yet with this new system, with +20k damage and 20% lifesteal or some ♥♥♥♥. Just throwing out there..

In general, advice is to play Phoebe :)
And about this new infinity mode, completely messed up.
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