What happens if you don't select one. Will the AI simply choose amongst itself? And can players/AI still influence the system as well (with Pope having an overwriting final say in the matter).

Originally posted by Hans von Vladivstok:

What happens if you don't select one. Will the AI simply choose amongst itself? And can players/AI still influence the system as well (with Pope having an overwriting final say in the matter).

If you don't select a Cardinal, the game will as far as I know either pick the next Pope as though the best candidate for the Papacy out of the existing Bishops in the game, or generate a new character to be the Pope. The mechanics behind succession if no Cardinals exist are still a bit strange even to me, since it appears to be hardcoded.(This is presumably done this way so that there's never a situation where there's no Pope, even if there are no Catholic Bishoprics in existence.)

As far as I know, if the player is directly controlling the Pope, there's no way for the AI to influence the College of Cardinals. Yet another thing that appears to be hardcoded, though it seems to only be active if the Pope is an NPC. At least, if it isn't hardcoded I haven't found where the mechanics for this are located anywhere in the files. Still not sure how the mod functions with an AI-controlled Pope, since it was never meant for that. I'd imagine it ends up working mostly-okay, since none of the scripts really overwrite anything that the Pope can do, and the new decision to summon clerics and give them the Cardinal title isn't used by the AI.

I like the new tweaks : )

Why the title is not showing? i tried to award honorary my bishop but there is no "Cardinal" title and i can summon priest too but when i right click their potrait and award honorary there is no "Cardinal" title.

Edit: Nevermind, i forgot there is no open slot for cardinal currently lol

I don't have the DCL sons of Abraham, but I did understand that this did not matter for the college of cardinals? But still I do not have a college of cardinals? Also when I give bishops the tilte cardinal (like explaind above), they don't get the tilte...

why i have "pact of nonaggression" when i choose cardinal? X( (it's a bug?)

If we had more mod-ability, it would be interesting to transform the collegiate and government of the Papal State in to the mechanics of The Republic. Since Nepotism and external control was rife and often times people could simply buy their way in to office through trading favours and buying offices. Instead of building ports, the Pope would order the construction/be donated Churches from any catholic County in the country. This way he would delegate his ecclesiastical vassal amongst the families that control The Republic and derive funds from there.

Originally posted by Technocratic Archfiend:

If we had more mod-ability, it would be interesting to transform the collegiate and government of the Papal State in to the mechanics of The Republic. Since Nepotism and external control was rife and often times people could simply buy their way in to office through trading favours and buying offices. Instead of building ports, the Pope would order the construction/be donated Churches from any catholic County in the country. This way he would delegate his ecclesiastical vassal amongst the families that control The Republic and derive funds from there.

It would definitely be an interesting way to be able to influence things. Unfortunately it seems like the moment the player is directly involved in the Papacy, the College of Cardinals mechanics stop working properly and you're forced to manually appoint everyone.

The only reason we even have the ability to appoint Cardinals outside of the Pope's own realm is due to the scripting work of ngppgn. That's also why you have to use those targeted actions to call Cardinals over so you can give them the title. If anything we're kinda lucky that being a Cardinal is considered a "Minor Title" that can be given to people, because it allows for the workaround that ngppgn set up. I'm really hoping that for Crusader Kings III, Paradox makes the Papacy a bit more open to modding. The amount of work involved in just making the Pope playable in the first place is something I could go on about for hours, heh.

Speaking of The Republic, here's an interesting bit of Clauswitz Engine weirdness: In versions of Divine Intervention prior to around the Horse Lords patch I think, making the Pope playable involved some really interesting scripting done by VoltSpark, (Who sadly doesn't seem to come around Steam these days. It was great working with him though, and I hope he's doing well these days.) wherein the game had to be tricked into thinking the Papacy was a Merchant Republic, and would then be given the correct government after loading. It wasn't perfect, and the script would sometimes break and end the game on succession or the game wouldn't load up properly. Around when Horse Lords came out, something with the way character selection is done was changed a bit and the workaround was no longer necessary, though.

At the same time, it would be awesome to see the papacy take a much bigger role in politics, and that is the kind of thing that needs to be built around and not just tagged on, though that is the kind of thing that will probs get in the way of moddability.

Hi, I can't name my cardinal, I get him to court then I click with the right mouse button on his portrait and on assign honorary title. The problem is that there is no title to appoint you cardinal, how is that possible? Thank you.

the mod will be not update i belive :/