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The Idea Variation
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Wearable Snake 18 Nov, 2019 @ 8:44am
Wiki Is Extremely Misleading / Out of Date
Not sure if this is the best place to discuss this, but I believe it's bigger than just a quick comment.

When looking at the wiki page for Policies, you can see all sorts of buffs when combining two idea groups:
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/The_Idea_Variation/Policies

In particular I was looking at Quantity x Espionage.
It should provide:
+25% Available Mercenaries
-25% Mercenary Cost
+50% Spy Network Construction
-15% Infantry Cost

However, when I went to test in game the policy only provides:
-25% Mercenary Cost
+25% Available Mercenaries

I made sure to check my spy network construction modifier before and after just to make sure it wasn't a weird text issue and was still applying the effects, but it did not.

This appears to be the case with almost every policy, where some things just aren't there. This makes trying to build something up incredibly difficult.

Does anyone know why this is the case? What changed to remove so many different effects?
Last edited by Wearable Snake; 18 Nov, 2019 @ 8:45am
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DjesusHChrist 18 May, 2020 @ 4:54am 
Piggyback on this comment to ask if there is any way to see all "real" policy effects? There should be a documentation or something, right?
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DjesusHChrist 18 May, 2020 @ 5:00am 
Or maybe there is a way to access the values by reading the mod or save files?
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etrusco5233 3 May, 2021 @ 3:21pm 
Yeah the tables are currently misleading... You can see in the columns and in the rows that some effects repeat: that's actually the separate advanced policy of that paricular idea group. For example that -15% infantry cost is actually a separate policy that you get when you complete the Quantity idea, without having to combine it with any other idea group.
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etrusco5233 3 May, 2021 @ 3:23pm 
I don't know how to edit wikis, but I think it would make more sense to put the effect of the advanced policy under the name of the ideas in the first column.
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dmeyster 7 May, 2021 @ 11:21am 
Originally posted by DjesusHChrist:
Or maybe there is a way to access the values by reading the mod or save files?
Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\236850\604203692\common\policies
check here, there is several txt files which are policies for combining idea groups.
You searching for Idea_Variation_policies.txt and Idea_Variation_policies_2.txt
Though there is little problem some idea groups in files called in german transcription
and not in english, to check actual ideas behind them
Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\236850\604203692\common\ideas
idea variation ideas are in 00_flogi_ideas.txt
Last edited by dmeyster; 7 May, 2021 @ 11:22am
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