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Radious Total War Mod
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Reef 28 May, 2016 @ 2:23am
chaos faction need rebalance (underpowered)
hey,
great mod and really fun to play but I think it kind of ruin the chaos faction-
(at least when it played by the player)

a. the decrease of upkeep is usually fine because it apply to you and the AI, but on the chaos where there are no settlements, it makes the AI much richer than you.

b. because there are so much more income, the AI pretty so able to fight with more than one stack of army at any given time, and because chaos faction suffer when grouping two army stacks together, you usually end up in number disadvantage and have to retreat and try to get your stacks together for a fight after retreating (because you just can't allow yourself have them together all the time - opportunity the AI exploit).

c. because of the high income, it's very easy to build population growth building fast whenever possible, since the chaos don't have settlements, they stuck with default pop growth which slow its expansion rate, while the AI keep growing

now what maybe can be done to fix it? there are many option but i leave it to you

p.s - beside that i do recommand increase a bit the upkeep, i always at least on empire on normal, find myself steamrolling everyone else in few turns

Last edited by Reef; 28 May, 2016 @ 2:24am
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Saucy Гack 29 May, 2016 @ 8:07am 
Yeah kisev waited with 3 full stack armies for me after i "liberated" the north *cough*... but to be honest chaos troops are just so strong that dealing with these guys wasnt a big deal at all... ok i lost all my army expect for Kholek and my exalted hero but i beat them 20vs60... it does seem a little ridicoulus but i didnt have any problems dealing with them just because legendary lords are so powerfull... you might not have the same problem though and maybe this was a little off topic but i just felt like sharing it... i play on hard btw
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a cactus 29 May, 2016 @ 12:30pm 
Started Chaos on legendary, was able to conquer the first settlement, 3 stacks of dwarfes and 2 stacks kislev where then in sight, after that 9-10 full 20/20 stacks chased me across the map and i really mean across the ENTIRE map from north to the very south.

Somebody show me how to beat that I shall sacrafice some skulls for the skull throne for you.
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Reef 29 May, 2016 @ 1:15pm 
Originally posted by Blythe:
Yeah kisev waited with 3 full stack armies for me after i "liberated" the north *cough*... but to be honest chaos troops are just so strong that dealing with these guys wasnt a big deal at all... ok i lost all my army expect for Kholek and my exalted hero but i beat them 20vs60... it does seem a little ridicoulus but i didnt have any problems dealing with them just because legendary lords are so powerfull... you might not have the same problem though and maybe this was a little off topic but i just felt like sharing it... i play on hard btw

well im not pro as you are (yet?), but when i begun on normal i headed north, sacking some settelments, and when i reached the dwarfes with almost 1 stack of army, they was allready waiting for me with stack and half of army.
so i said f*** it and switched to the humans, and then got stuck with the limitation of having to keep my armies away from each other while the AI attack each of them sepratly with 2 stacks together
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Saucy Гack 30 May, 2016 @ 6:35am 
Originally posted by Reef:
Originally posted by Blythe:
Yeah kisev waited with 3 full stack armies for me after i "liberated" the north *cough*... but to be honest chaos troops are just so strong that dealing with these guys wasnt a big deal at all... ok i lost all my army expect for Kholek and my exalted hero but i beat them 20vs60... it does seem a little ridicoulus but i didnt have any problems dealing with them just because legendary lords are so powerfull... you might not have the same problem though and maybe this was a little off topic but i just felt like sharing it... i play on hard btw

well im not pro as you are (yet?), but when i begun on normal i headed north, sacking some settelments, and when i reached the dwarfes with almost 1 stack of army, they was allready waiting for me with stack and half of army.
so i said f*** it and switched to the humans, and then got stuck with the limitation of having to keep my armies away from each other while the AI attack each of them sepratly with 2 stacks together
its my first total war game... i saved the replay of the fight... my units all died or ran away after killing half of the enemy... kholek killed the rest... i wasnt pro i literally just ran at them took no damage and prayed that they wouldnt come back after running away
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[FFF] Lamo 30 May, 2016 @ 7:17am 
Same problem as you MDDonnergott... Was facing around 15 full stack armies turn 25 ...even if i run throught chaos land, as soon as i come back, i'm facing more and more of this full stack armies ...
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Isbjorn 31 May, 2016 @ 10:41am 
Aye, the reduced upkeep is no good for Chaos. There's so many armies. I can beat them, but it's extremely tedious to constantly fight 6 armies because the AI hunts you across the world with its giga stacks.
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Saucy Гack 31 May, 2016 @ 11:06am 
Originally posted by SBLM Isbjorn:
Aye, the reduced upkeep is no good for Chaos. There's so many armies. I can beat them, but it's extremely tedious to constantly fight 6 armies because the AI hunts you across the world with its giga stacks.
yeah thats an issue... maybe if kisev would have to fight the vampire counts it would be better but it seems like they only have their armies for me... they are just waiting for me to come to them... not sure how to solve it but making the vampire counts fight kisev somehow could make it better... who knows maybe they declare war on kisev because they want to conquer their cities
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Reef 31 May, 2016 @ 11:15am 
i think the orcs have simmilar issues, on the third turn i had like 18k gold that i had nothing to spend them on (all 3 recruitment slots was full all the time), and the dwarfs declared war with stack and half of armies.
of course i might be just a whiny noob, but maybe there is a problem here for factions with few initial settelments and slow growing rate at the begining?
Last edited by Reef; 31 May, 2016 @ 11:16am
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Helsing 31 May, 2016 @ 11:43am 
Its easy for Chaos: Roam in chaos lands (Left side) Raze all settlements and awaken the tribes, when you defeat a nord army, hold position for 1 turn to replenish units, (if by chance) you have a second army, stay at the back of your first army, therefore you have backup incase you need. Yeah ok you have decrease of units, but once you can, split up. For me it was easy untill wave 60, the empire had their strongest units and all with Tier 3 Gold attribute XD too much to handle.
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Manson 1 Jun, 2016 @ 6:06am 
I agree with that, I think a way to balance chaos is to have an income for every building you have on the army and not only the chivalry one, and maybe reduce the amount of population needed to build some new structures because it take to long to fully develop an army given that all the other factions have hight income and armies.
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Saucy Гack 1 Jun, 2016 @ 8:13am 
Originally posted by Manson:
I agree with that, I think a way to balance chaos is to have an income for every building you have on the army and not only the chivalry one, and maybe reduce the amount of population needed to build some new structures because it take to long to fully develop an army given that all the other factions have hight income and armies.
they seem really powerfull...income doesnt seem like an issue and i always sit on so much gold... the problem is that its hard to raise a second army with good troops because you need to build the whole army from the ground up... one solution could be to make the growth talent in the talent tree more powerfull or give some early chaos building a growth stat... or the main building wich gives growth anyway now gives more growth early on... just some thoughts of mine... ps: does anyone else have some issues against the dwarfs in terms of GETTING REKT :steamsalty:
Last edited by Saucy Гack; 1 Jun, 2016 @ 8:13am
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[FFF] Lamo 1 Jun, 2016 @ 9:11am 
No problem with the dwarf for me :). Well, dwarfs are in fact the hardest enemy when playing chaos, but i win most of the time.

Well, with radious mod in very difficult it's not easy to go to the north land. And that's can be good, but it can be kind of impossible also... Before i can go to their land, kislev and northern guys already have 15/20 armies all together full stack, and they seem to prefer killing Archeon than each other ^^ (well i can understand this fact :p).

It's juste that playing chaos with radious mod made you fight 4 to 6 full stack armies each turn, and personally i can't handle that much more than 2 turns
Last edited by [FFF] Lamo; 1 Jun, 2016 @ 5:22pm
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Galdred 2 Jun, 2016 @ 3:09am 
To defeat multiple stacks (in hard), I gave lightning strike to all of my armies, ended turn at the limit of their movement range, and retreated when they attacked. Then attacked the front stack with lightning strike during my turn, while my sorcerers tried to hamper the movement of the remaining fresh stacks, and marched away after the attack. It took quite some time, but it worked, and now, Kislev is in ruin (but I should just have gone for the Empire instead).
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[FFF] Lamo 2 Jun, 2016 @ 6:54am 
Well, in theory it could work. But in practice i'm really surprising, cause IA play great with regards to movement, and if i can reach them, most of the time, I will not have enought movement capacity, even using full march, to be out of reach. So i can retreated the first time, but they still have enought movement point to attacj me a second time.

And I have only 2 or 3 sorcerers, so against 10 armies, even if i beat 3 of them in a turn, i can't hamper the mouvement of 7 remaining unit.

Radious mod is intersting, as always, but this time, it's really need so more work to be intersting and challenging in a right and lore friendly way.
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Reef 2 Jun, 2016 @ 6:59am 
Its intresting how the mod make the orcs start also hard, but in my empire playtrough they become the strongest faction
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