i didn't write this down because it is not exactly a stat, per se, but the nature of it being a gun means you cannot extinguish yourself, only your teammates, so the jarate is not completely overshadowed.

Originally posted by heinous:

i didn't write this down because it is not exactly a stat, per se, but the nature of it being a gun means you cannot extinguish yourself, only your teammates, so the jarate is not completely overshadowed.

Like that'll make a huge difference compared to applying jarate to a large group of players in a few seconds...

you do realize jarate also does that.

Yes, but there also would be tweaks and cooldowns applied, so that this weapon is balanced and not making jarate useless, but insead an alternative to jarate, and not completely replacing it.

So it's a flame-thrower that shoots jarate instead of fire?

Originally posted by heinous:

you do realize jarate also does that.

This ones gonna do it more effectively

My suggestion for a game mechanic and stats for this weapon:

The jarate pisstol would be similar to the SMG in regard to being limited to a short-to-medium range and using the secondary slot. But it would fire individual squirts of Jarate as projectiles. The liquid reservoir would represent the "ammo reserve carried" before you have to "refill the tank". Loading the next shot would use the pumping animation from the Bison.

[Note: I'm against posters' suggestions that the pisstol should fire a "stream of Jarate" like water from a garden hose, as it would force Valve to either use the flame thrower mechanics or invent an entirely new mechanic for a narrow but continuous stream of particles that bends downwards, which should be avoided.]

The Pisstol would deal no actual damage, but have the same utility mechanic as Jarate, including the ability to extinguish teammates. But unlike with a Jarate jar, the Sniper would be unable to use the pisstol to extinguish himself when on fire.

Unlike the Sydney Sleeper the Pisstol should *not* be able to deal area-of-effect splash damage; it should only be able to apply Jarate to one person per shot, to balance out the fact that it can be used more frequently than the Jarate jar with its cooldown.

The Pisstol would fire a single-shot projectile like the Huntsman, but with much shorter range and no ability to headshot.

EDITED to add: Pisstol doesn't work underwater.

I got a problem with this weapon
with the proposed stats you chose it's a direct upgrade over the jarate
more jarate and infinite range?

I propose it remove the snipers ability to deal critical damage as well, you can only deal crits IF you spray someone first.

Originally posted by Pay To Win:

I got a problem with this weapon
with the proposed stats you chose it's a direct upgrade over the jarate
more jarate and infinite range?

Originally posted by CAT_ATACK:

I propose it remove the snipers ability to deal critical damage as well, you can only deal crits IF you spray someone first.

I already knew it had a limited range and dealt no damage, but the range was similiar to that of thrown jarate, which made the two conflict in a way. So far my favorite comment here is from Knusperfrosch.

Ideally, I see this weapon sit in a middle spot between Jarate jar and Sydney sleeper, with stats that make it different enough that Jarate is still viable and make it interesting for people who prefer precision over area effects. Less range than the Sleeper, but offers more precision and faster firing frequency than a thrown jar, at the expense of no splash damage and no self-extinguishing. Its projectile would be reflectable by Pyros, although if it turns out to be easier to reflect or harder than a jar tumbling through the air I have no idea.

--> The next question should be: DURATION OF APPLIED JARATE EFFECT?

I took a look at the Sydney Sleeper's stats again. (Note: I rarely if ever play Sniper, so I'm not as familiar with his weapons as with other classes.)

JARATE: The item is a thrown weapon; the jar breaks and the liquid is splashed over a short distance, either upon immediate contact with the world or another player. Enemies caught within the splash radius will be covered in the contents of the jar for 10 seconds.
During this period, all incoming damage is registered as mini-crits. Effect duration can be reduced through continuous healing, or can be removed instantly by jumping into water or touching a resupply cabinet.
20 second cooldown.

SYDNEY SLEEPER: On scoped hit, applies Jarate effect to the target for 2 to 8 seconds based on amount charged. When Sydney Sleeper is fully charged or makes a headshot, the Jarate effect will apply in a radius around the victim, which can affect enemies close by. The Jarate effect can also be applied to teammates when the Sydney Sleeper is fully charged, and as such will extinguish allies in the same fashion that Jarate can.

The PISSTOL has no mechanic to charge shots. To offset the faster firing speed advantage it has over Jarate jars, the duration of the minicrit effect could be reduced to 5 seconds.

I think the best way to balance the Pisstol would be to fine-tune the attack intervall (in case of single-shot projectiles) and the duration of applied minicrit condition.

Let us also not forget that this weapon would deal no direct damage, unlike the Scout's Fan-O-War, so if the Sniper wants to do follow-up damage on a "wet" enemy, he would have to switch to primary or melee. He can't squirt them and then continue shooting the same person with the Pisstol. It's utility lies in better precision than the jar and being able to squirt multiple people who aren't standing in one spot.

Originally posted by kingangus:

So it's a flame-thrower that shoots jarate instead of fire?

Perfect lol