Wow ... thanks for all the votes! I'll be thinking up a new challenge in the coming days :)

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Played all maps again and here's my vote:

1. Sections by camerson1313
2. Gels, without a Companion by nintendo.erk
3. Cubeless by cyhborg

Well done, Prototype! And that sounds like a great competition coming up :)

C'mon people, don't fight ;) Enough with the speculations ...

I agree with Fatso that it's a problem that players can down vote a chamber that they haven't been able to finish. It shouldn't be too hard for Valve to implement some restriction like that, yet they decided not to. I wonder why. On the other hand, there are chambers that require crazy stuff from you - my map Tango is just one example - and I do think that players should be able to express their unlike of the chamber. Yet they can always do that in writing by adding to the map discussion!

I assume that the right to vote a map up should also be restricted to players that finished it. But what is even more apparent to me is that Valve is never gonna do that. Unfortunately I think ...

Look, Donderbus, I apprreciate your opinion about what might have lead players to vote my map Gelly Beans down. While what you're writing may be true, the thing is that none of us will ever know ... that's what this thread was supposed to be about. I may in fact have received a down vote because one player was left by his girl- or her boy-friend that day or because or because it was the thenth gel map that he or she played in a row and way just fed up with gel. We can go on speculating about the reasons for down votes but that won't help me or anybody else.

What might help is to share your own experiences with down votes. The more members of this group will do this, the easier it may become for all or even just some of us to deal with those 'expressions of rejection'. In fact let me tell you a little bit more about how I dealt with down votes. At the beginning of my mapping "career" I was seriously offended and upset with any down vote. It took me quite a while to understand that it isn't the down vote itself that upset me but the fact that I never knew why my map was down voted. This realization eventually lead me to not care about the (few) down votes I received on most of my maps.

However, I do notice down votes and receiving a majority of down votes on the first day after publishing a map does affect me because I see a player hitting the "thumbs down" button and I don't know why! When I saw that nintendo.erk feels the same in the discussion of the map that I linked above, I decided to open this topic. We have a proverb in Germany that goes something like this: a pain shared is just half the pain.

Ok, enough of me trying to give this thread the intended direction. I'm bad with forcing the intended solution on the player in my maps, why would I be able to do that in a discussion ;)

I appreciate your explanations on what you vote up and down. I know that my map Tango was unfair to the player and I even knew that when I made it. But I'm not so much concerned about how you, i.e. the members of this group, vote up or down. While this certainly is a valid topic, personally I'd be more interested how you experience down votes and if you get them how you deal with them.

I myself rarely vote a map down. I guess much like you, LPChip, I prefer not to vote on a map that I didn't like as long as it didn't annoy me.

On that note, I also need to correct my introductory statement. Not all of my maps have an amount of around 25% down votes. My memory must have been tainted by recent experience I assume o_O. I do have lots of maps with just one down vote totalling to something like 10% of all votes. And a couple of maps with more votes that have between 10% and 15% down votes.

While it is still speculation I assume that Donderbus is right when he states that a map has to be of easy difficulty to get onyl little down votes. On the other hand I always assumed that most players that can't finish a map would not go through the "hassle" of voting it down but rather just skip to the next chamber.

Anyway, since we're on the topic: Do you vote maps down without adding to the map discussion page?

Hi all!

I don't know whether this is the appropriate section for this discussion or whether this discussion is approriate at all. I've been thinking about starting this thread since my last map Gelly Beans was seriously down voted within no time. Only when I saw the "discussion" for one of nintendo.erk's last maps (click here), I decided to start this.

I guess the main focus of this disussion should be to ... I don't even know what? Maybe exchange information, share how you deal with down votes etc. So I'll just start:

There's no map in my workshop that hasn't been down voted. The average amount of down votes is approximately 25% which, honestly, I find quite high. But there are also about 20% down votes in my most successful map which leads me to believe that every map has an amount of something between maybe 15% and 30% down votes. Would you agree?

Like nintendo.erk I was seriously pissed with 75% down votes within a couple of hours for my map Gelly Beans. 3 down votes, only one up. I consider that map pretty much standard (no new unknown elements) and I also think that it's fun to play (I may be wrong about that though ;) So I wonder how and why people vote it down.

It is unfortunate that there can only be speculation about the motivation of those down votes. Is it really just that people find a map too difficult so that they hit the "thumbs down" button? Or did they play it and vote it down? If so, why? What did they think about it? I was wondering whether a group of players should approach Valve suggesting a mandatory explanation for a down vote ... but I guess players that don't give a damn about the effort that others invest into making maps will just write rubbish.

Ok, enough of me ranting ... any thoughts on your mind that you wanna share?

1. Moving Room 3 - Prototype
2. Paradromic - Fatso
3. Redefine - camerson1313

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