I actually do see a problem with this challenge.

What I learned from making portal maps, is that it is essential for a good map to make the player see at all times what their actions have as concequences, and if a map is big enough, it is going to be really hard solving the map if you have to travel too far for an action to have concequences where you can't see exactly what your actions do.

Knowing how this group likes to make the most insanely hard maps possible, I fear this is going to be abused into making really hard maps that are by far not fun to me to play, and possibly others as well.

An example of what could be really not fun:

You press a button and somewhere else, a cube falls in the goo. The button has no antline because it looks ugly and so you just can't figure out that it does that. After about 1 hour you finally guess this must be the cube dropper. You set a funnel to catch it, press the button to verify it and indeed, that button is for the cube. Now it seems you need to use the funnel and time it so that the cube lands on this island so you can grab it. You prepare the funnel, press the cube and then you have to figure out by trial and error when to shoot your portal so the funnel is gone and the cube is dropped on that island before it either falls in the goo or is being fizzled.

So I'd like to ask if you know a different theme for the competition, or if you really want this to at least alter it from "at least one significant" to "no more than one significant part", including that whatever happens is fully visually documented (eg. antlines) so you can just look at the puzzle and see what happens, even if you have to perform it off-site.

I'll wait with posting the actual topic before I get an answer, and if there is no answer, I might decide to not use this challenge or in altered form (depending on what the rest of the staff thinks of this.

Please note, this is not by any means me forcing you into anything and I don't want you to feel bad for suggesting this. I just foresee a possible problem that I'd rather deal with before it becomes one, than after. It would be a shame if the competition would draw to a halt as outcome of this particular subject.

And we have a winner!

...with a nice total score of 14 points.

This weeks runner ups are: Almisuifre who came second with 9 points, and Polux who came third with 8 points.

Talisac, you are entitled to give us the next weeks challenge. Can you reply here before the end of this month GMT +0, and tell us what you'd like to see in the next competition?

Lol Deathwish. Hi Edward, glad you could make it here. Hope you get some inspiration, and love to play a map or two from you.

Hey there quaternary. :) Good to see a post from you here as well. A fellow mucisian. Nice! And audiotool is awesome. Made 2 songs in it even, for one I also posted an entire: how I did it video on youtube, where I make a song in about 1 hour with audiotool. :)

Nifflas' games are awesome for sure, and I love that I am allowed to manage his forum for him (feel free to drop by there. :) ). Makes it even cooler that I can betatest some of his games and give early suggestions. Not to mention help him out making music for his games (read: Within A Deep Forest, Knytt Stories and Knytt Underground).

EDIT: also gave a link to your post to Nifflas, made him happy and smile. :)

Do you use any mods such as BeeMod, and are these while creating a map (in-game preview rather than published maps?)

The reason I ask is because the in-game preview is different than a published map. If you use bee-mod, you can force a full compile by pressing CTRL-F9. It will then also do the elevators etc.

You can't, but what's the point in voting if you haven't played the maps? If we suspect cheating in voting, it will be dealt with. So far there was one case where it was suspected, and it didn't impact the competition at all. So I don't expect any problems with cheating here.

Nice one Olshi. Didn't see this one, and this year is the first time I learned about AGDQ.

Seen it too, but decided against posting it here as it felt less relative to our group.

Welcome pertbanking. :)

Current stage: The competition is over

This challenge was submitted by: quaternary
The idea for this challenge is to do the following:
Your map must include the following:
* at least 1 laser emitter
* at least 3 laser devices (laser catcher, laser relay, etc), but
* absolutely ZERO laser redirection cubes

And we have a winner!

...with a nice total score of 24 points.

This weeks runner ups are: olshi who came second with 17 points, and quaternary who came third with 11 points.

Camerson1313, you are entitled to give us the next weeks challenge. Can you reply here before the end of this month GMT +0, and tell us what you'd like to see in the next competition?