I disagree with loosening the rules just because it was misunderstood. If something is not clear, don't make assumptions, but ask. There's still more than a week to make a new map. We used to have just one week to make maps, so its enough to make a new map that DOES follow the rules and remove the current ones from this competition.

I had a hard time making a map but my map does 10 passes in a room that feels like one room. So its quite doable.

1. Innocentive: 3 points
2. Nintendo.erk: 2 points
3. Camerson1313: 1 point.

We started a hammer competition with the idea in mind that we have some skilled hammer mappers here. Unfortunately we did not get any submissions for the october compo.

I had a chat with Innocentive, and he really wanted to participate, but he also told me it was really hard to recreate that setting where portal2 ends. The wheat field.

So my questions to you are these (please answer all of them if 1 is yes):

1. Are you interested in a hammer competition at all?
2. Was the theme for the october competition too hard?
3. Did you have a problem with time, as in, should we make the submission / voting time longer?
4. Do you have any other points you'd like to chip in for this competition? Like ideas, comments, etc.

I've added the section "What not to do".

Added [SP] tag.

I've played this map a while ago, and the concept is fun, but I bet it is indeed quite hard to make a proper map out of it, given that you have no control on how it bounces.

Congrats Prototype :)

Now now... both of you. Lets stop discussing why you vote a map up or down, and lets continue where Innocentive wants this discussion to be heading to: Dealing with receiving negative votes.

Given that I can understand why people would vote down in certain occasions, I too have mysteriously received negative votes and couldn't understand why. But on the same note, I have received lots of up votes on a particular map where I couldn't understand why either.

My map: "The mountain" is my first map where I had a PeTI map made first, then ported it to hammer to add texture, a skybox and some custom elements. It even has a hidden easter egg.

The map itself is not that hard. Its about flinging and I guess there is one small ninja jump in it. If it is that ninja jump that everyone hated that they turned the map down, or maybe just the fact that it looks spectacular becaues of non-standard textures, and then people find out it really isn't? I honestly don't know. Did I feel offended, yes. I put so much work in the map and I get no indication why people voted it down. Should it be changed? No. To people writing is a lot harder than to press a button, and if they only can press that button under certain circumstances, they soon will not press the button at all nor write something. Then I have no clue at all that my map somehow sucks.

But this kind of voting system is very common. Its also used on youtube and other places.

The other map where I got lots of upvotes is: Hammer Test 1. It is a straightforward map with 2 pedastal buttons, a cube dropper and a cube button. There isn't really a puzzle, just a bit of visual gimmicky. I even warn people not to play the map, yet they did and I receive lots of upvotes. weird...

Uh, No Donderbus, you don't need to walk through the fizzler at all. In my entire run, I did that only once because it was more convenient than to shoot the portal elsewhere. But you do bring me to a good conclusion. People often make assumptions. They see a puzzle with a problem they can't beat. They see a possible solution that they are unable to perform but they ASSUME that is the only way to do it and think it is ridiculous. They can vote the map down without actually finding out that the actual solution was right in front of them.

I vote a map up when I have fun playing it, and I vote a map down when the mapmaker expects me to be able to do something that is completely against all portal logic. This can be glitch abuse, but it can also be shooting a portal under a glass ledge on a surface what appears to be a black wall, but apparently is a not-well lit white wall (grey).

Also, when a mapmaker has some kind of really hard to pull off manouvre in his map, it may lead to a thumbs down from me. But a map that is well constructed even though I cannot finish will get a thumbs up from me, or if its on the line, no vote.

So I guess I vote a map down when I think it has serious flaws that go against what a portal map should be. I prefer easy maps over hard maps, but that doesn't automatically mean I'll vote a map down.

One example would be Innocentive's map with lasers no relay. He had this sort of area in the ground that I purely see as decorative but was required for the puzzle. It are these little things that cause me to vote a map down. I get a feeling of the author makes fun of me when I learn about such thing. The flinging in the map which I could not pull off was one that was walking the line, but that would've simply caused me to not vote for it.