Just a heads-up, you can directly link a change entry for a game if you link the date part of the box (it holds the permalink): https://steamdb.info/app/383970/history/?changeid=4003177

Also, reposting this on SteamGifts, so the original buyers can know. Don't have a reddit account to tell them there. Exposure helps. :)

*clicks achievements*
*steamid/hardblush everywhere*

Oh my.....

PinkySwear developer here

Don't drop the soap was paused in development by the original dev, he choose to recycle this app id.
Hentai: Exposed is nothing close to Don't drop the soap, so keys will not be given out to Groupees.
I've read the contract and there is no such thing as a app id that is reserved for the groupees buyers, don't drop the soap was bought and if it will release on Steam keys will be given for that game to all groupees buyers.

Groupees also has not contacted me yet regarding this.

Just wondering, if don't drop the soap releases tomorrow, do I have to give keys for Hentai: Exposed + don't drop the soap? I don't really get the logic here.

Originally posted by Hentai:

PinkySwear developer here :Hihentai:

Don't drop the soap was paused in development by the original dev, he choose to recycle this app id.
Hentai: Exposed is nothing close to Don't drop the soap, so keys will not be given out to Groupees.
I've read the contract and there is no such thing as a app id that is reserved for the groupees buyers, don't drop the soap was bought and if it will release on Steam keys will be given for that game to all groupees buyers.

Groupees also has not contacted me yet regarding this.

Just wondering, if don't drop the soap releases tomorrow, do I have to give keys for Hentai: Exposed + don't drop the soap? I don't really get the logic here.

Google Translation level: EXTREME!

Originally posted by Hentai:

Hentai: Exposed is nothing close to Don't drop the soap

Nothing... except poster, description, appID, developer...
https://web.archive.org/web/20161026144239/https://steamhost.cn/app/383970

Originally posted by Hentai:

so keys will not be given out to Groupees.

Many games have changed names after greenlight, but that didn't stop developers from providing keys for buyers.
Just for example. Stoire changed name at least three times during and after greenlight: Heaps > Stairstorring > Stoire. Conseption was also changed, but keys were provided because people paid money:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/app/622530/discussions/0/1291817208488697180/

Originally posted by Hentai:

I've read the contract and there is no such thing as a app

As I remember (I bought a lot Greenlight bundles) it's a first time when developer say "You get nothing because I've renamed the game"

Originally posted by Howl at the Moon:

Originally posted by Hentai:

Hentai: Exposed is nothing close to Don't drop the soap

Nothing... except poster, description, appID, developer...
https://web.archive.org/web/20161026144239/https://steamhost.cn/app/383970

Originally posted by Hentai:

so keys will not be given out to Groupees.

Many games have changed names after greenlight, but that didn't stop developers from providing keys for buyers.
Just for example. Stoire changed name at least three times during and after greenlight: Heaps > Stairstorring > Stoire. Conseption was also changed, but keys were provided because people paid money:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/app/622530/discussions/0/1291817208488697180/

Originally posted by Hentai:

I've read the contract and there is no such thing as a app

As I remember (I bought a lot Greenlight bundles) it's a first time when developer say "You get nothing because I've renamed the game":gr_cat:

I suggest you do some research instead of making assumptions, the games are totally different, the code is done by different devs, mechanics are different and the graphics are different.

It's not just a simple name change, it's a whole different game by another dev.
When don't drop the soap releases, keys will be given to the costumers by the other dev, Hentai: exposed will not give keys to groupees and will not participate in any bundles in the near future.

I end this conversation with this post, I wish you a good day.

Oh I still love a answer to this question:
"If don't drop the soap releases tomorrow, do I have to give keys for Hentai: Exposed + don't drop the soap?"

Originally posted by Hentai:

I suggest you do some research instead of making assumptions, the games are totally different, the code is done by different devs, mechanics are different and the graphics are different.

It's not just a simple name change, it's a whole different game by another dev.
When don't drop the soap releases, keys will be given to the costumers by the other dev, Hentai: exposed will not give keys to groupees and will not participate in any bundles in the near future.

I end this conversation with this post, I wish you a good day.

Oh I still love a answer to this question:
"If don't drop the soap releases tomorrow, do I have to give keys for Hentai: Exposed + don't drop the soap?"

Man, this guy really is mental .

And his poor knowledge about English and what is going in this group and thread isn't helping at all :D

Originally posted by Hentai:

Oh I still love a answer to this question:
"If don't drop the soap releases tomorrow, do I have to give keys for Hentai: Exposed + don't drop the soap?"

My objective is to provide information, and more experienced users from ths group will take care of this as they see fit.

Originally posted by 真 MUTANT OVERLORD:

And his poor knowledge about English and what is going in this group and thread isn't helping at all :D

I think you are a bit unfair here, his english is fine and nowhere near "google translate" level.
My english is not better than his, and it is not google translated. (I also had absolutely zero issues understanding what he wrote.)

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I think, if the story that has been told is true (the one by "Hentai") then you have a problem in communication, which you should fix.

If you (or someone associated with you ) stops the development of a game that other should have gotten keys for, you should tell them, and probably give them back the money if they already paid for it. (If you cant give them back the money, give them compensation-keys, everything else would be unfair since you already got their money.)

And if you still release the "stopped" game at some point, the keys should be given out to the ones that are still eligible for them. (e.g. People that decided to wait and dont take the compensation key etc.)

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But now some other questions:
- Why the hell is there an unfinished game in a bundle?
- Why is there no proper communication with your customers?
- Why did you not give them another key as compensation?

Now you look like a scammer, congratulations, even if this is not intended. (I dont know if you are known to do these things, therefore i give you the benefit of doubt. (and you are here, which means that you are not ignoring the issue, like others.))

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TL:DR

You pretty much need to do one of these three things:
- give them their money back (which technicaly includes the part of it that the bundle-site kept for themselves)
- give them a key for the game that is now released under this app-id (probably the cheapest and fastest solution)
- finish the initially planned game and send out the keys. (time consuming, but the best solution since customers get what they paid for.)

Everything else is a scam, regardless of the intentions behind it.

PS: I am saying "you", but i mean: whoever is in charge for this mess, who got the money etc.

Disclaimer: This post is my own point of view, it may not be the correct way to handle this in your situation, it just states what i think are the next logical steps. (Based on my experience on both sides of the "table", consumer and creator of Content on Steam.)

Originally posted by Hentai:

Don't drop the soap was paused in development by the original dev, he choose to recycle this app id.

Is there anything in the contract with steam about that? Could you release a fake game that looked interesting to get votes and then just swap in a completely different game?
You also avoided the new rules for trading cards by doing this.
Surely Valve would not allow such a thing in their contract?

Originally posted by 2dengine:

Providing Steam keys to bundle buyers depends on the agreement between the dev and Groupees. So it depends, while you may not be legally obligated, it's often done out of courtesy to the people who support your work.
As for "recycling" app IDs, I've never heard such a thing. I'm pretty sure Steam wouldn't allow reusing or lending app IDs to other devs. I think we should focus on helping this dev, he doesn't seem malicious, just very inexperienced.

Selling app IDs has been used in the past. Valve don't have an issue against it as there are instances in whoch developers may not be able to carry on supporting the gam, so sell it off to another company/developer. As for selling app slots obtained via Greenlight, I'm unsure. They probably wouldn't look highly of it.