Originally posted by Thrynity:

Originally posted by Isaac:

Hey, is the fat scout being balanced or something? I couldn't find it when last playing. Just wondering.

Many people told in this topic "Fat scout is pointless"
So crafting might decide to remove it definitly, Sadly

Well that sucks, it was a really really fun weapon to just mess around with. One of the best joke weapons I've seen at the very least. I absolutely loved the holiday punch combo you could do with it.

Hey, is the fat scout being balanced or something? I couldn't find it when last playing. Just wondering.

Originally posted by Thrynity:

So their is 2 ways to modify the infection, stronger killer or more silent

First way, the Chain-Stab

(+) dont loose disguise on backstab
(+) kill timer depend of ennemies health on backstab (30 HP = 1 second of delay, max 10 second for heavy)

still some way to cure
• kill the spy who infected you
  
• get healed by medic (not by dispencer)
  
• take a medi kit

(+) no sound on stab
(-) no backstab, just kill after an amount of time
(-) infection kill only while this weapon is deployed, on switch, infection is cured

Or the most "solo-player got rekt" mode

(+) on stab : victim start loose her Health, 15% of max health each second
(+) you got healed from 10% of your damage With this weapon
(+) get healed on kill with this weapon
(-) no actual backstab
(-) victim notice you easly
(-) drain exist only on close range, and stop drain if you go too far from victim

My only really problem with this is that it sorta doesn't fit with the whole "bacterial infection" theme. It fits nano machines a lot though.

Imagine this thing with the reserve shotgun.

Originally posted by (◕ᴥ◕し):

Originally posted by Thrynity:

putting just bleed is even worst

+ GLORIOUS BLEED UNTIL DEATH
+ EXTRA BLEED DAMAGE
+ BLEED DAMAGE INCREASES OVER TIME
+ DONT LOOSE CLOAK UPON BACKSTAB
+ BLEED STARTS AFTER 5 SECONDS OF STAB
- FILTHY BACKSTAB GO HOME
- BLEED CAN GET REMOVED OR SOMETHING

A knife that can't insta kill is useless. The main problem with the infection is that it leaves the opponent living for a short time and can be cured by any healing type thing. It makes it so that the enemy can still do damage before they die. The knife is basically a YeR that lets you disguise when ever for the cost of delayed instakilled backstabs that are curable. At the same time though it makes it easy to sneak in stabs while no one's paying attention. If it's delayed kill were removed it would be sorta unusable. It mainly just needs to be easier to notice a stab and a SLIIGHTLY longer delay, like with a bleed that happens a second or two later and a seven second or so full mobility time and a 4 second stun phase. Plus this knife is already useless defending carts.

Originally posted by Thrynity:

Originally posted by Isaac:

Wouldn't that just make it the knife version of the jarate sniper rifle, aka the one often considered to be the worst?

putting just bleed is even worst

Well keep the insta kill mechanic it has then. It would be useless without it.

Originally posted by Thrynity:

Originally posted by (◕ᴥ◕し):

This has, indeed, been suggested in a scariely similiar fashion a few pages ago or so, but I still like it. +1

yeah but, it will become a butter knife no ?
maybe "while bleeding take mini-crit" ?
it will be a support stab

Wouldn't that just make it the knife version of the jarate sniper rifle, aka the one often considered to be the worst?

Originally posted by Thrynity:

Originally posted by Isaac:

Still, bleed would fix the fact that medic's passive healing stops him from picking up health packs to save himself and bleed would also make it more obvious that the player's been stabbed.

Basicly, I think this knife is too unbalanced, would add few things

(+) on stab : victim and his close allies start to bleed for 0.5 second
(+) succesfull stab don't remove disguise
(+) after 5 second, disabled but don't loose mobility, after 10 second DIE !
(+) when someone die of virus, your healed by 100 HP (can overheal)
(-) can be cursed by medic/heal
(-) no damage on stab

.5 seems a BIIIIT too soon I think. I think it should be maybe 1 second to get the spy time to get away. .5 isn't enough time for them to get a good distance. In that amount of time the spy is still right at the person they stabbed. They would be too close to really make the disguise matter since at the distance the spy could go in that time the enemy will easiely be able to tell it was them, even in a crowd.

Originally posted by Chrysalis the Black Mage:

Originally posted by Isaac:

Maybe add bleed that's delayed a second or two after the stab to it. That would fix both my and your problems with it.

Of course, seeing as how it's infection time before a kill just decreased, it probably won't actually get fixed.

Still, bleed would fix the fact that medic's passive healing stops him from picking up health packs to save himself and bleed would also make it more obvious that the player's been stabbed.

Originally posted by Chrysalis the Black Mage:

Originally posted by Isaac:

Honestly its main problem is that it's just hard to notice when you get stabbed. Fix that and it's not bad. Also I hate that it's useless playing defense on payload.

No matter what you did to change it, it'd still be badly broken when you're a Medic.

Maybe add bleed that's delayed a second or two after the stab to it. That would fix both my and your problems with it.