Originally posted by Loreknight:

Originally posted by sqwid:

So I looked over the Scout demonstration video and wondered for a bit why the Super Sneakers did less damage than the Mantreads. Then I remembered that fall damage is measured as a percent of your max HP and not a physical number, and since Scout has much less HP than the Soldier, it cuts the damage down to nearly half the amount of the Mantreads. For example, if a Soldier and Scout fall down at a velocity of 1200 units/s, the Soldier will deal 20% of his max health, which is 40, multiplied by 3, which is 120. Scout, however, will only deal 25 times 3, which is 75. (The fall height vs damage can be seen here https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Fall_damage#Damage_values ). I find this is unfair, since Rocket Jumping has more control than a Scout jumping because of the height and mobility it provides, and I would say dealing damage with the Mantreads is easier than the Super Sneakers.

While I'm not saying that the jump height should be changed at all to counter it, I instead ask that the damage be amplified from 3 times to 4.8 times. This will offset the damage and make them deal the same amount as the Mantreads at different heights. I don't know if adding a damage bonus to the Super Sneakers is possible, but I'd really like to see it added.

Does scout use his health to perform his aerial maneuver?
Does soldier have the ability to do his aerial maneuver's at any time regardless of weapon being used or where you are firing it?

1. Technically yes via fall damage. Besides, they both put the Scout and Soldier usually in risky situations such as in groups of enemies. Since Scout has less health and isn't built for taking down groups of enemies unlike Soldier with his splash damage, he would be taken down much more easier. Besides, landing on someone's head perfectly and at a velocity to actually acquire fall damage is difficult, and should be rewarded equally to both classes.

2. As a Soldier you have your primary out 90% of the time anyway and usually have enough health to perform a rocket jump. Besides, he can still deal Mantreads damage when jumping and falling off large height.

I don't see anything wrong with buffing the Scout's Super Sneakers damage, honestly. You really have to try to land on someone's head to do it like the Mantreads, so giving it a damage boost wouldn't really make it OP or anything.

Also who let you out of your cage?

So I looked over the Scout demonstration video and wondered for a bit why the Super Sneakers did less damage than the Mantreads. Then I remembered that fall damage is measured as a percent of your max HP and not a physical number, and since Scout has much less HP than the Soldier, it cuts the damage down to nearly half the amount of the Mantreads. For example, if a Soldier and Scout fall down at a velocity of 1200 units/s, the Soldier will deal 20% of his max health, which is 40, multiplied by 3, which is 120. Scout, however, will only deal 25 times 3, which is 75. (The fall height vs damage can be seen here https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Fall_damage#Damage_values ). I find this is unfair, since Rocket Jumping has more control than a Scout jumping because of the height and mobility it provides, and I would say dealing damage with the Mantreads is easier than the Super Sneakers.

While I'm not saying that the jump height should be changed at all to counter it, I instead ask that the damage be amplified from 3 times to 4.8 times. This will offset the damage and make them deal the same amount as the Mantreads at different heights. I don't know if adding a damage bonus to the Super Sneakers is possible, but I'd really like to see it added.

The Axecutor
Pyro Melee
[+]Gains a +25% damage bonus for every enemy you currently have ignited - up to a maximum of +100%
[+]If you have more than one enemy ignited: Mini-crits on burning enemies you've ignited within 5 seconds
[+]Decapitates on critical hits
[-]-20% slower firing speed
[-]-25% damage penalty when you have no targets ignited
[-]No random critical this
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=847773491

The Tough Cuffs
Scout Fists (Melee)
[~]While active:
[+]+85% damage bonus
[-]-33% movement speed
[-]-38% slower firing speed
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=254734226

Basically gives Scout the normal melee weapon stats only with the same speed as everyone else while active. Pretty simple but satisfying.

The Déjà Vu
Spy Watch (PDA 2)
[~]Cloak Type: Teleportation
[~]Alt+Fire: Teleport where you were 8 seconds ago and instantly turn invisible
[+]+50% cloak regen rate
[+]+40% cloak duration
[-]-50% cloak meter when Teleportation is activated
[-]Cannot activate if enemy is inside the range you were 8 seconds ago
[-]No cloak meter from ammo boxes when invisible
[-]-35% cloak meter from ammo boxes
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=53

I didn't want to model the regeneration of the Dead Ringer but it's the most fair way I can think of.

The Force-a-Jumper
Scout Practice Scattergun (Primary)
[+]+200% max primary ammo on wearer
[+]+25% faster reload rate
[+]Knockback on target and shooter
[-]-66% clip size
[-]-100% damage penalty
[-]No random critical hits
[-]Wearer cannot carry the intelligence briefcase or PASS Time JACK
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=515672918

And something else because I love knockback

The Juggler's Jostler
Scout Bat (Melee)
[+]Alt+Fire: Launches a ball that knocks back target on hit and explodes when it hits the ground, causing more knockback
[+]Crits targets launched airborne by explosions, grapple hooks or enemy attacks
[+]+25% increase in recharge rate
[-]Increased knockback from damage and explosions on wearer
[-]No random critical hits
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=347728977

Originally posted by Jig-Gull:

Originally posted by Chef Boyardeeznuuuuuuuuuuuuuuts:

The Digeridoom is a GREAT weapon idea. It's like a training wheels sniper rifle. You learn to aim better, but you can't get the juicy headshots. I really love it.

The only problem is that the effects make it SUPER annoying to fight. It's fun to play with, not to fight.

So, I am suggesting some changes to keep the concept but make it less annoying to fight:

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The Digeridoom

(+) +30% damage
(+) Combo System: Consecutive hits deal 30% more damage and heal 20 health

(-) No headshots
(-) 25% slower charge speed

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Math stuffs:

A normal shot with this weapon is 65 damage
A fully charged shot takes over 4 seconds to charge but deals 195 damage.
A consecutive hit deals 85 damage.

Other notes:

Consecutive hits do not need to be on the same target. If you hit a Scout for 65, you can then hit a Pyro for 85, then a Heavy for another 85.

There is no time limit on consecutive hits.

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Overall, I think this weapon is a great fix for the Digeridoom, as it keeps the original concept, but it makes it less annoying to fight and also fixes the issues versus Pyro and people with debuff immunity.

This doesn't seem like something to use for practice aiming, it seems like something to replace headshots. It reminds me of the sniper rifle replacement from TF2 Classic.

Agreed. Reminds me too much of the Walkabout with the combo system and all that. Practice weapons usually should deal no damage and have a lot of ammo, which is why the jumper weapons are the best jumper weapons.

The Flare Jumper I hear was removed, which was a shame because it could be a really good addition now with the Sentry Jumper in the game. Just give it a lot of secondary ammo and normal detonator jumps and it should be okay.

Originally posted by A Spy!:

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

but especially heavy. hes slow easy to hit and hard for him to track a good scout

I've got an idea for rebalancing the ridiculous overheal potential of the Boston Bulldog.

Damage vulnerability while overhealed.

This way, Scouts have a much harder time maintaining that overheal in the first place, making them easier to take out, even while they have stupid crazy overheal. One Scout that killed me had 223 HP. That ain't right without some other nerf.

A damage vulnerability defeats the purpose of the overheal though.

The max overheal just needs to be smaller, that's pretty much it.

Minor change while I was doing my "project" but I noticed that the Support Wrench has an "does not extend Amplifier or Repair Node range" attribute. Since that's not in the game currently, I think it should be removed...for now...

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

You litterally made the hole puncher worse.
It does the same dmg at range (about maybe like 3 less damage it feels?)
And now it feels unfun to use since it fires fucking bolts.
If your gunna make it fire bolts it at least needs some more shots.

I haven't played with the new Hole Puncher, but the old one I remember was too powerful with the Gunslinger. The clip size and reload speed didn't matter because you could usually deal enough damage to kill someone with one or two shots, so honestly I'm glad that it was sort of nerfed.

Unless they did change the projectile type from hitscan to projectile, then I'd like that reverted.