Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by sqwid:

Engineer's main counters usually Demoman and Spy, and giving him 175 health allows him to survive more revolver shots and sticky spamming, so it IS a pretty big denial of your main counters...

Not to mention there's NO downsides using it and it's a direct upgrade of the stock PDA.

I'll be fine actually at any nerf at this point, just please nerf from 50 extra health to 25.

wait if its a straight upgrade does that mean its good on defense? no, because on defense you need to be able to high tail it out of there with your (hopefully) lvl 3 dispenser so you can get your sentry up in a reliable time.
You cant do that with this. Its a offensive pda thats unreliable on defense. Not being able to move buildings is a bigger deal than you would think.

But it is good on defense because it gives you a shitload of health.

And OFFENSE because it gives you a shitload of health.

And in every circumstance because of a shitload of extra health.

Not being able to carry buildings? I couldn't care less if I get to survive a headshot and sticky spam.

Trust me, this is a straight upgrade. I really can't defend that this weapon can be balanced at with the +50 max health. This need to go down to +25 at most.

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by sqwid:

I mean if the nerf was added that's what the drawback would be. At its current state the "battle Engineer" that it's trying to enforce is just a complete and total crutch. Like a DDS for Engis.

except the BoB (brawns over brain) doesnt completely deny your main counter.
just makes you more survival. My suggestion would probably be more cost to building.
That sounds good.

Engineer's main counters usually Demoman and Spy, and giving him 175 health allows him to survive more revolver shots and sticky spamming, so it IS a pretty big denial of your main counters...

Not to mention there's NO downsides using it and it's a direct upgrade of the stock PDA.

I'll be fine actually at any nerf at this point, just please nerf from 50 extra health to 25.

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by sqwid:

It's called the Brawn Over Brains PDA, so no shit that it should make his buildings weaker. A slower building speed doesn't make the Engi completely useless, it just forces him to be a bit more smart and defensive if he wants his buildings up.

Also +50 health is really a lot. You can survive a headshot, two rockets from mid range, and a whole lot of other damage with 175 health. The Engineer isn't meant to tank that much damage for a reason, because his sentry does most of the fighting for him. I always hear this argument that Engineers with 175 health and a full sentry isn't that much, but if you have a really smart Engineer with good building placement, and good aim, he can do a lot of shit. It doesn't just affect Gunslinger Engis, this transcends all wrenches.

"smart and defensive" that defeats the entire point of the pda. Its battlegineer.

I mean if the nerf was added that's what the drawback would be. At its current state the "battle Engineer" that it's trying to enforce is just a complete and total crutch. Like a DDS for Engis.

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by sqwid:

Not if you actually have good Shotgun aim and a mini sentry assisting you. A building health penalty alone wouldn't help really considering Mini Sentries are disposable anyway. With a building speed penalty, it's harder to set up buildings and requires you to rely less on your buildings when you need them and more your own skill. A building health penalty in conjunction with the slower build speed would work, but either way, +50 health is insane as shit.

I feel the thing with slower build speed is that it removes the entire point of engie, his buildings!
Even combat engie is still focused around buildings building a teleporter and dispenser near a chokepoint while also providing a presence on the battle field.
+50 health isnt that much, its when paired with the gunslinger that its a big deal.

It's called the Brawn Over Brains PDA, so no shit that it should make his buildings weaker. A slower building speed doesn't make the Engi completely useless, it just forces him to be a bit more smart and defensive if he wants his buildings up.

Also +50 health is really a lot. You can survive a headshot, two rockets from mid range, and a whole lot of other damage with 175 health. The Engineer isn't meant to tank that much damage for a reason, because his sentry does most of the fighting for him. I always hear this argument that Engineers with 175 health and a full sentry isn't that much, but if you have a really smart Engineer with good building placement, and good aim, he can do a lot of shit. It doesn't just affect Gunslinger Engis, this transcends all wrenches.

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by sqwid:

Also I would once again like to address how overpowered the Brawn Over Brains PDA is. I'd like to see a lower max health and also instead of the inability to carry buildings, a big increase in building build time. 200 HP Gunslinger Engineer is fucking insane, and this is my main class so that's really saying something.

but i like being a unfair battle engie :(
Engineer is also still fairly weak to most other classes. I think a building hp penalty would be better.

Not if you actually have good Shotgun aim and a mini sentry assisting you. A building health penalty alone wouldn't help really considering Mini Sentries are disposable anyway. With a building speed penalty, it's harder to set up buildings and requires you to rely less on your buildings when you need them and more your own skill. A building health penalty in conjunction with the slower build speed would work, but either way, +50 health is insane as shit.

Also I would once again like to address how overpowered the Brawn Over Brains PDA is. I'd like to see a lower max health and also instead of the inability to carry buildings, a big increase in building build time. 200 HP Gunslinger Engineer is fucking insane, and this is my main class so that's really saying something.

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Balance for the bulldog.
Remove the life steal, decrease it to -15 hp.
Make it so every kill gives you +25 hp.
I dont know what the max would be.
Bam.
Also why was medispenser removed?

Bulldog sounds like it just needs an overheal penalty at some point, at most 185 health. Maybe raise the max health you have a start from the beginning and decrease the agility the Scout has to compensate.

Also I think Medispencer had a hardly impressive passive ability with an overpowered Ubercharge that could be abused. (Infinite clip and ammo = Panic Attack and Beggar's Bazooka are king).

Originally posted by CHAWLZ!:

if theres any actual demand for it i could probably add a client-side cvar to disable the sound for the user

I would be in favor of this. Or at least lower the sound because the loud jingle I hear everytime I use it makes my ears bleed.

I just made it because of the name
The Boston Fried Homicide
Scout Primary
[+]Alt+Fire: Shoots a fireball (similar to the Wrap Assassin's bauble only causes burning instead of bleeding)
[+]Mini-crits on burning targets
[+]On kill: fills 20% of your fireball meter
[+/~]Fireball recharges after 15 seconds and costs 2 bullets in your clip
[-]-33% clip size
[-]-15% damage penalty
[-]No random critical hits
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=90670177

The Single Barrel Whiskey Shotgun
Demoman Primary
[+]+500% grenades per shot
[+]-75% self damage
[+]Bombs do not arch until 1 second after they were fired
[~]Bombs are significantly smaller than a normal bomb
[-]-75% damage penalty
[-]-50% explosion radius
[-]Bombs branch off from where they were fired after some range (or time) has occurred (all travel in four opposite corners from a square shape and down the middle where the original shot was fired, the range can be tested because I'm not sure where to even begin on that number)
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=634665040

Really bad idea so far, but I wanted to give Demoman a shotgun-type weapon without the shotgun hitscan. This does a great amount of damage close range assuming all bombs hit (125), and then branches off as soon as enough range or time is achieved.