The Speedgunner
Pyro Secondary
[~]Weapon reloads instantly when projectile hits a player or surface (max fire speed is one shot every 0.5 second)
[+]+50% faster projectile speed
[+]+100% max secondary ammo on wearer
[+]100% mini-crits vs burning players
[+]Every third consecutive hit is guaranteed to crit
[-]-50% damage penalty
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=529255841

Professor Fahrenheit
Engineer Secondary
[+]Alt+Fire with melee out: Use 50 metal to jetpack towards buildings
[+]Holding JUMP key uses metal to rise and hover into the air, draining 10 metal per second
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=311026562

Originally posted by Ducky Quackington:

Originally posted by Loreknight:

Knifemare

Maybe we should help him balance?

Trust me, I've tried. Hes an asshole (as in, he literally told me to fuck off when i asked if he could nerf the knifemare and dettonaire and basically all the spy knives)

Probably because they're balanced and you two just complain about things you have a hard time countering.

Quick Edit: One of you are going to say "oh but you complain about the Booster Shot." Well, after using it I don't really have that big of a beef anymore. However I at least had somewhat of a reason to feel it was OP because of its overheal, allowing Heavies to survive a fully charged headshot (which I suppose the Vaccinator can do technically even without Uber))

Besides, the Hot Air Balloon is easily countered by a Sniper or pretty much any hitscan class. Or even a Direct Hit Soldier if you can predict a Pyro's movements well. The Dettonaire also is fair because if you got backstabbed by a normal knife, then you were going to die anyway. If you got backstabbed by the Dettonaire you have a chance to negate it if the Spy died first or by some other reason. Honestly I feel like both weapons are in a good state right now and you two are just looking to complain in a thread that is not meant for that.

The Lacerator
Pyro Melee
[~]While active:
[+]+20% faster movement speed
[+]+30% jump height
[+]Alt+Fire: Summons of gust of wind that reflects all nearby projectiles, extinguishes teammates, and launches enemies vertically into the air (3 second cooldown)
[+]Extinguishing teammates gives you +20 health, a speed boost, and mini-crits for this weapon for 3 seconds
[+]Crits on targets launched into the air by this weapon
[~]This weapon has a large melee range and deploys and holsters slower
[-]No access to primary
[-]-10% damage penalty
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=259324796

i don't even know

After months of being pushed around and general tomfoolery, the L.A.W. makes an official return to the force. AND THIS TIME IT'S PERSONAL.

The L.A.W. 2.0 (A.K.A Janey Law)
Soldier Primary
[+]Doing damage increases Promotion meter, which has 3 bars (250 damage to charge each)
[+]On full Promotion bar: increases clip size by 1+n (n being the Promotion level) and fires an extra rocket
[+]+50% max primary ammo on wearer
[+]Direct hits mini-crits targets launched airborne by explosives
[-]Each promotion level increases projectile deviation by +1
[-]Each promotion level decreases your damage by -10% and your projectile speed by 5%
[-]-30% initial damage penatly
[-]-20% slower projectile speed
[-]No random critical hits
[-]Cannot be crit-boosted
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=377331478

But it looks like to get back on the force, he needs to work with his ragtag partner who ALSO happens to be a loose cannon!

The One-Hit Wonder
Soldier Secondary
[~]All damage and stats are based off of the stock Revolver
[+]On hit: launches targets upward
[+]Deploys and holsters 50% faster
[+]Marks targets to be launched further from damage and airblasts for 6 seconds
[+]Crits on headshotting airborne targets and makes the duration last +25% longer
[+]Does not require ammo
[-]-25% damage penalty
[-]8 second cooldown
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=377327625

These cannons are now at least 200% more loose than before! Prepare your asses for...

Fortress Vice 2: THE REBOOTENING

Originally posted by Loreknight:

Originally posted by sqwid:

Things 175 health Engi can survive:

Two shots from the Scattergun or Shotgun from close-ish range

Three Rockets from medium distance

A lot of flames from the flamethrower

A flare and then critical flare combo

Demoman sticky spamming in many more cases

A noticeable amount of Minigun bullets

Two Crusader's Crossbow shots from the longest range possible

A non charged and somewhat charged headshot from the Stock (and most other rifles)

An Ambassador headshot followed by close body shot

3 Revolver shots from close range

Two melee stock hits

+50 health is a big fucking deal

Needs to be lowered to +25 health.

Also a building rate penalty doesn't make the Engineer totally fucking useless. Eureka Effect is good on Engineer even with -50% wrench boost rate.

Just make it +25 max health and slower build speed and it'll become pretty fair and also useful.

Goddamn please don't make this OP abomination exist any longer in its current state.

I disagree with #3

Medium range can deal anything between 50 and 90 according to wiki.

So technically if each rocket dealt around 50 damage then an Engineer wielding this and the PDA can survive three of them.

And this list isn't even covering the shit you can do with the Gunslinger or Medic's overheal.

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by sqwid:

Did you see the "decreased agility" under nerfs? That effectively makes it easier for Heavies (not to mention other classes) to take you down. It rewards you then for dealing lots of damage while also making you not impossible to deal with.

No actually, i went and checked the thread listing all the weapons and this "decreased agility" (whatever the fuck that would mean) is not listed there.

I meant with my suggestion to nerf it.

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by sqwid:

Bulldog sounds like it just needs an overheal penalty at some point, at most 185 health. Maybe raise the max health you have a start from the beginning and decrease the agility the Scout has to compensate.

Also I think Medispencer had a hardly impressive passive ability with an overpowered Ubercharge that could be abused. (Infinite clip and ammo = Panic Attack and Beggar's Bazooka are king).

Im gunna talk about this again, my problem with life leach, ON A SHOTGUN, is that its way to easy to dip and duck around a heavy or other larger slow class with easy shots constantly filling your hp.
Bonus health i feel would be more fun to fight and more balanced.

Did you see the "decreased agility" under nerfs? That effectively makes it easier for Heavies (not to mention other classes) to take you down. It rewards you then for dealing lots of damage while also making you not impossible to deal with.

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by sqwid:

Things 175 health Engi can survive:

Two shots from the Scattergun or Shotgun from close-ish range

Three Rockets from medium distance

A lot of flames from the flamethrower

A flare and then critical flare combo

Demoman sticky spamming in many more cases

A noticeable amount of Minigun bullets

Two Crusader's Crossbow shots from the longest range possible

A non charged and somewhat charged headshot from the Stock (and most other rifles)

An Ambassador headshot followed by close body shot

3 Revolver shots from close range

Two melee stock hits

+50 health is a big fucking deal

Needs to be lowered to +25 health.

Also a building rate penalty doesn't make the Engineer totally fucking useless. Eureka Effect is good on Engineer even with -50% wrench boost rate.

Just make it +25 max health and slower build speed and it'll become pretty fair and also useful.

Goddamn please don't make this OP abomination exist any longer in its current state.

Did you look at the removal poll? I dont even see it on the poll and everyone knows people are voting based on op and not the actual reasons they posted...

Or...

Maybe they are...

Also that's not really an argument to what I stated. It's too powerful with +50 max health and needs to be toned down to +25 with another, bigger downside.

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by CHAWLZ!:

50 HP is not a lot on its own, but in the context of adding to a class with 125 health that is almost a 50% increase in durability.

If you want to talk about this specific situation in a vaccuum, a combat-range rocket will do 80 damage, yes. Two of those rockets will deal 160 damage. With +50 health, the Engineer will survive both of those rockets and still have a fighting chance. Will he win? Maybe not. It's still a very large difference. That said, this is't representative of every combat situation either way, and there's a hundred more where +50 can win or lose fights.

50 health is still a lot.

if each rocket does 80, a normal engineer would die too 2 rockets. Fair nough, this would allow him (WITHOUT GUNSLINGER) to survive 2 rockets with 15 hp left, pretty easy to shoot 1 extra rocket. Demo man direct pipes are unaffected, he still dies from 2 shots either way. The difference really more comes in with weapons like the minigun and shotgun.

Things 175 health Engi can survive:

Two shots from the Scattergun or Shotgun from close-ish range

Three Rockets from medium distance

A lot of flames from the flamethrower

A flare and then critical flare combo

Demoman sticky spamming in many more cases

A noticeable amount of Minigun bullets

Two Crusader's Crossbow shots from the longest range possible

A non charged and somewhat charged headshot from the Stock (and most other rifles)

An Ambassador headshot followed by close body shot

3 Revolver shots from close range

Two melee stock hits

+50 health is a big fucking deal

Needs to be lowered to +25 health.

Also a building rate penalty doesn't make the Engineer totally fucking useless. Eureka Effect is good on Engineer even with -50% wrench boost rate.

Just make it +25 max health and slower build speed and it'll become pretty fair and also useful.

Goddamn please don't make this OP abomination exist any longer in its current state.