True but realisticly no one gives a shit on a person thinks of them on outpost

Well most of the people that think that are assholes , be nice be fair no matter
they say yor only as good as yor rep...........

It's a common situation, but you have to be able to look at it from both ends.

I would feel somewhat defensive if I had my prices as I liked them and someone came into my trade to offer me the "actual value" and then also wants me to sell that item to them for less than I want. There are no "actual values" when it comes to these items and if you were to tell someone that then they see it as you telling them that they're incorrect when we as humans want nothing more than to be in the right.

The best way for you to let someone know they're putting prices too high is to not respond to their trades at all and let the fact that they're sitting on items for long spans of time be their signal of wanting too much.

I wouldn't quite place half the population to be as bad as you say, though I know there are plenty of bad apples in the bunch. I just chalk it up to the fact that the most obnoxious traders are the most visible and are much more noticeable than the rest of the community.

I understand your pain lad. I've had that problem myself quite alot, on serveral ocations. Where people are overall rude and then later on, acting very hypocritical and spends a time writing a even ruder comment on one of your pages all because that they are angry over that you "disagreed" with their own "firm" price. There are the good polite traders. And there are the ones this topic is about. The hottempered arses. As Currier tells, there sure are some rotten apples in the bunch.

But i can give you a polite tip or some more. Before you make your offer, ask the lad/lassie if they only accept metal/keys/"pure". Also if their price is "firm" or not. If they say yes, simply turn away if you only want to offer items. If they say yes, but they then demand a "overpay", proceed with caution, they tend to be quite ridicolous when it comes to highballing on "overpaying" and will take no risks when it comes to being rude. But most of all, remain polite. Like the sniper. Polite, and efficent.

There may be some ungrateful people on outpost, but remember! You are not alone when it comes to this type of situations.

This is where the downfall is.

In an open and player-made economy, both traders, and sites like backpack.tf are wrong.

There isn't any set price.

Yes, you may feel that a person may not be pricing something right, but leave em alone. Yes you may have research, but again, it's an open market. While it may seem to truly be a reasonable offer a person makes, the owner of that item may not think so.

In a nutshell, people can sell what they want for whatever price they want. I could sell a burning TC for a refined, or 1000 buds. It honestly depends on what I want to sell it for. Doesn't mean I will get 1000 buds. This is where owners learn their lesson. If they price their items too high, people either will be scared away, not like them or their prices, or they won't get their high buyout that they expect out of a person.

Originally posted by Moony♥™:

Yes, you may feel that a person may not be pricing something right, but leave em alone. Yes you may have research, but again, it's an open market. While it may seem to truly be a reasonable offer a person makes, the owner of that item may not think so.

The topic is about rude traders, not necessarily greedy traders. I've dealt with quite a few who are outright rude, regardless of their prices. Some insist on "checking my inventory to make sure I have stock before adding me" because "this trade autobumps and I'm not going to keep coming back and updating my trade". Some outright lie about their prices in the trade when you add them. Some fill the page with ALL-CAPS remarks about how if you add them or comment something they don't like they'll block/report you. A lot of rude traders do put in something about "price is firm" or "no lowballers" but that's not the primary complaint in this thread.

And yes, items have prices. Their price is the equilibrium between what owners are willing to sell for, and what others are willing to pay for it, heavily influenced by supply and demand, and that's what something is actually worth. Sometimes pricelists like backpack.tf influence (or manipulate) prices, and sometimes items are too rare to ever reach that equilibrium, but selling established items for astronomically different prices (or buying insanely cheap) tends toward sharking. If you want 10 keys for your strange sapper, and the guy above you only wants 5 keys, then no one is likely to take your deal.

In reply to OP, I usually look at the way a trade and comments are written to decide if someone is worth dealing with. If they look rude, I go to their outpost profile to block them, hiding all their trades from search results. This includes a flood of CAPS and different colors in the trade, threats about blocking/reporting people, or items that have been listed for a long time with lots of ignored/hidden offers. If they just have a price that's too high, I skip it and move on if they aren't relisting, there's usually someone trying to get rid of any given item and selling for a lower price.

Originally posted by lava:

The topic is about rude traders, not necessarily greedy traders. I've dealt with quite a few who are outright rude, regardless of their prices. Some insist on "checking my inventory to make sure I have stock before adding me" because...

Someone gets it, thank you.

Most items have stable prices that can't be debated unless the item is in transition and that's usually an evident situation. The trouble comes mainly from unusual sellers. Many are rude and can't be civil. Whatever the price situation an item is in no one should be allowed to be rude. I wish it were a reportable offense but instead you can be reported for spam if you want to argue the price. I have some buyers add for an item and they were so timid I knew they just got attacked by some other trader.

Originally posted by A | CHARLIE:

Most items have stable prices that can't be debated unless the item is in transition and that's usually an evident situation.

Nothing has a stable price that "can't be debated". Even craft hats, which used to be 1.33 refined metal, are tending a little lower in recent months. Protip: Enforcing pricelists on people will often get a rude response. But that's another completely different topic.

Also, I wouldn't say the problem rests squarely on unusual traders. There are plenty of rude name/description tag resellers, craft hat resellers, and key resellers that are just as bad, if not worse. Many of them refuse to update their prices because fewer people will add them, but will act rude if you disagree with the new unlisted price. Some will autobump when they're out of stock, and flip out if you didn't check their backpack before adding them. Some will just list something at an absurd price, often several times, just to troll anyone looking for the item, and then list it on the next backpack.tf suggestion as "proof" keys need to go up again. Specifically in the case of unusual trades, the prices are a lot more ambiguous, and traders will only accept offers for a period of time so they can get the best deal on it, and if they say that but you add them for your offer anyway of course they'll get mad or expect something outrageous.

Rudeness is inversely proportionate to maturity. Let the children be. All you can do is ignore/ block and move on.

its not TF2 outpost alone, its the TF2 community as a whole, a lot of people are genuine assholes.
Not saying that everyone is, but most people has no patience for people that has nothing of interest for them, for an example selling them an item of a price they may or may not like

Nothing more tougher than a keyboard warrior.

Originally posted by Moony♥™:

Some fill the page with ALL-CAPS remarks about how if you add them or comment something they don't like they'll block/report you.

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This includes a flood of CAPS and different colors in the trade, threats about blocking/reporting people, or items that have been listed for a long time with lots of ignored/hidden offers.

I don't threaten to block/report people if they add me (and I wouldn't do that), but I definitely have two lines of "DO NOT ADD" in all caps with colours in every single trade I do. Why? Because I've had a ton of random adds trying to scam me in the past, so I have to tightly control who gets on my friends list.

That does not and should not put me in the same category as the rude traders the OP is talking about. :P

I block a lot of those guys, too. There are a lot of people out there who could have easily made a sale if they didn't drive me off with their jerkass behaviour.

People have bad days, and some people are not necessarily intending to be rude, the internet masks sarcasm and such, due to the fact it is just text, it's fairly hard to convey emotion through a TF2Outpost trade response/trade offer.

Some people, like myself, can be just blatantly rude, most of the time, those people get sick of idiots not reading notes, which isn't hard at all. Other times, lowballs are the cause, I myself have a fairly short temper, and once I put a trade up, I try to be polite for the first few notes-ignorers and lowballers, but after a while it becomes annoying, how hard is it to read, in some cases, 3 words, such as DO NOT ADD ME, DO NOT OFFER UNUSUALS, etc.

Of course, if people are rude without any justification, that is their downfall, they probably won't receive as much offers as others, etc.

In response to people saying the coloured text and the multiple lines of caps are worthy of a possible block, whatever, if you can't take the fact that some people like to make their trades pop out, or their notes grab attention of those who choose not to read them, thats fine, I'm sure those people, including myself, would rather not trade with you if you choose to take such a negative attitude towards people trying to get others to acknowledge the notes.

I realise this may all sound a bit rich, given that I can be the spitting example of a jerk in a lot of situations.

Anyway
Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

Oddity, out

The way that we can stop people from being such assholes is to not contribute to their trading. If you see someone being an ass or having a very steep price, don't comment or post on their trade. If they see that they don't get any offers, they'll start being more polite and they'll lower their price.