maybe you should (also) ask that question here

Originally posted by ☆¸.•*Zero Beat*•. ¸☆:

If you scam a scammer, then give the items back to the person who got scammed, are you still marked as a scammer?

Scamming anyone, even a scammer is considered scamming. 2 wrongs dont make a right and noone has the "right" to scam anyone. but id wait for an admin response. but im pretty sure any scamming is never justified.

Thanks Sam, you can lock this now if you want

Thats not what I meant, I meant a trader gets scammed, someone scams the guy who scammed the first guy, and then the person who scammed the scammer gives the items back to the first person scammed

Originally posted by samhudson333:

Originally posted by Inertia (Une):

If you mean scam as in the person thought that your key is worth his bud and he trades his bud for your key, its alright. This is part of a learning process for them. Without this, everyone can be careless in trading and not give a second thought on trading with others and simply don't learn.

But usually, I treat scams as a way of learning in trades, so that next time I will be extremely cautious whenever I trade with someone (e.g. check if it is uncraft/untradeable, check its craft #, etc.). This may give you experience in the real world as well.

So I am not entirely sure admins or other traders will agree with me, but if you are scammed, you should just let it go and treat it as a learning experience. For you to actually give back the items is kind-of a good thing.

However, scamming CONTINUOUSLY may not be good. It lowers your reputation and you will soon find that you are not trustworthy anymore to the minds of other people.

This is just my opinion :D

Everything about this is wrong. Paying a key for a buds is sharking, and steamrep taggable. Any scamming ever is steamrep taggable. No amount is ok, and it should never just be let go.

But if you offer an extreme lowball, like a bud for a p energy jefe, and they took it, is it scamming or sharking? I wouldn't think so, because you didn't say its a super special bud or anything like that.

This: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198043093660 and
this: http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/scammer-pwned.2967/ are all you need to know, perfect case study for this situation.

Originally posted by His Dad (Une):

If you mean scam as in the person thought that your key is worth his bud and he trades his bud for your key, its alright. This is part of a learning process for them. Without this, everyone can be careless in trading and not give a second thought on trading with others and simply don't learn.

But usually, I treat scams as a way of learning in trades, so that next time I will be extremely cautious whenever I trade with someone (e.g. check if it is uncraft/untradeable, check its craft #, etc.). This may give you experience in the real world as well.

So I am not entirely sure admins or other traders will agree with me, but if you are scammed, you should just let it go and treat it as a learning experience. For you to actually give back the items is kind-of a good thing.

However, scamming CONTINUOUSLY may not be good. It lowers your reputation and you will soon find that you are not trustworthy anymore to the minds of other people.

This is just my opinion :D

Well said!

Originally posted by ☆¸.•*Zero Beat*•. ¸☆:

Originally posted by samhudson333:

Everything about this is wrong. Paying a key for a buds is sharking, and steamrep taggable. Any scamming ever is steamrep taggable. No amount is ok, and it should never just be let go.

But if you offer an extreme lowball, like a bud for a p energy jefe, and they took it, is it scamming or sharking? I wouldn't think so, because you didn't say its a super special bud or anything like that.

it just "quicksale" trade, like almost every unusual trade on tf2op.

Originally posted by Champelliot:

This: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198043093660 and
this: http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/scammer-pwned.2967/ are all you need to know, perfect case study for this situation.

So it's a caution, not a scammer mark?

Originally posted by samhudson333:

If they don't know the value of their item and you do, and you take advantage of that, it's sharking.

But what if they do? Maybe they just want to get rid of it

Originally posted by eddy |S:Dota2 commons>2 scrap|:

it just "quicksale" trade, like almost every unusual trade on tf2op.

No it's not. A quicksale for an unusual would be up to 30% maybe even 50% off, but a quicksale for a bud would be 26 Keys at most right now.
Nobody even remotely familiar with the price of a bud would sell for 1 Key.
If someone experienced does buy for 1 Key, you can safely assume they exploited the fact that the other party did not know the value at all. He would buy that bud for a key with intent to deceive. That is sharking.

Originally posted by Xile{t}:

that guy got a caution and was lucky too, they also link here within that thread:
http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/76561198035410021-green-is-the-colour-sr-scammer.1553/#post-4919

similar situation, scammer tag.

that was a good read ty Champelliott

Jesus that wall of text.

Lol, any decent scammer would probably be impossible to scam. Unless you work up a great reputation, and then just throw away your account and scam them. But yeah, if they've scammed many people, I think they would know if they were being scammed.

Originally posted by samhudson333:

If they don't know the value of their item and you do, and you take advantage of that, it's sharking.

You have a nice idea but its not quite right. Sharking is lying about the value of an item to a newer trader to make him believe his items are worth less than they are actually worth.
If the one who got the better deal did not use any bit of deception or lying to the other person than it is not a shark.

Originally posted by samhudson333:

Originally posted by вsi | Narwhal Of Narnia! -LmL-:

You have a nice idea but its not quite right. Sharking is lying about the value of an item to a newer trader to make him believe his items are worth less than they are actually worth.
If the one who got the better deal did not use any bit of deception or lying to the other person than it is not a shark.

That's incorrect, you don't have to lie to make it sharking. As long as you're abusing their lack of knowledge to get an unreasonably good deal, that's sharking.

Why is sharking not markable by steamrep?