In this case, there really isn't anything that can be done.

Taking a screenshot in a video game that you do not own the rights to doesn't give you the right of intellectual property. Everything you do that has the likeness of characters created by Valve that was generated by the use of their program is theirs to control and deem appropriate to upload and monitor (to some extent, fair use and all that jazz).

yeah actually if you put it into valves system through valves sfm it's valves intellectual property and therefore every steam users.

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

In this case, there really isn't anything that can be done.

Taking a screenshot in a video game that you do not own the rights to doesn't give you the right of intellectual property. Everything you do that has the likeness of characters created by Valve that was generated by the use of their program is theirs to control and deem appropriate to upload and monitor (to some extent, fair use and all that jazz).

Fair enough, but isn't just an unwritten rule that if someone creates something, you at least ask for their permission? Or give credit? This guy has done neither and has been rude in the process. It at least warrants a mod to tell him to remove it in my opinion, it just really pisses me off. But thanks for you both your updates, I appreciate it a lot!

Nothing wrong with using screenshots made by others. Not an unwritten rule; it is simply not a rule.

Hm, I'm not so sure, I think the guy might get intellectual property over the concept, I'll have to look it up.

Personally, I think that the creator of the screenshot deserves full credit for what he has made. As to wheter or not somebody else can use it without his permission, that is an issue left the moderators of TF2 Outpost to decide whether or not he can use it, since there is no sort of "intellectual property" rule by Outpost or Valve regarding screenshots, even though I personally feel there should be

Originally posted by Chaos <3:

is this thread a joke?

Maybe

http://www.valvesoftware.com/terms.html fast read , and u can undestand that screen broke the TOS " (iii) reproduce any Materials other than as specified above; (iv) distribute, license, rent, sell, lease or otherwise transfer any Materials; or (v) remove, obscure or alter any notice of copyright or other proprietary notices present on or in any Materials.

that screen is modify with photoshop

Originally posted by Chaos <3:

is this thread a joke?

Why would it be a joke? i find that if someone uses someone elses screenshot, they should at least ask for permission or give credit or it warrants a close of trade or a ban.
Not sure where your ethical framework is from but everyone else has something positive/helfpul to say, why don't you try doing the same.

I got his trade closed, next time its going to be a ban
Spoke to HelenAngel about it, she was quite accomodating about it.
I will upload the chatlog if she gives me the yes.
You AREN'T allowed to do this on outpost, not sure about on any other forums, but you get 1 warning then a ban I think.
EDIT: Chatlog

0:04 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: I am just quite troubled about a trade on outpost
10:04 AM - ♡HelenAngel♡: fine*
10:04 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11494521
10:04 AM - ♡HelenAngel♡: Okay, which one?
10:04 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: he has linked a screenshot
10:05 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: and has been asked by the owner, me and 2 others to take it down
10:05 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: as he didn't ask for permission nor did he give credit
10:05 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: and on the owners old trade involving the hat
10:05 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: he asked specifically not to use it
10:07 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: heres the original trade
10:07 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11067710
10:07 AM - ♡HelenAngel♡: Well, Zem already commented
10:07 AM - ♡HelenAngel♡: So just adding teeth to what he said =D
10:07 AM - ♡HelenAngel♡: Closed the trade
10:07 AM - Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!: thank you so much helen
10:07 AM - ♡HelenAngel♡: He does it again, he'll get a ban

Originally posted by Zemnmez:

Hm, I'm not so sure, I think the guy might get intellectual property over the concept, I'll have to look it up.

Easiest way to understand it would be if it were legal to sell the image in a replicated print. In this case, Valve could easily order a cease and desist order on this image because it was made using their program and has their character featured with nothing added that is original to the maker.

This is why the art world falls under a heavy gray area due to commissioned (drawn) art because of the vague borderlines of what constitutes a parody, satire, or plain fair use. If it were to be a photo of a guy dressed as the soldier with that hat and pose, then the creator would have full rights due to it being a new concept related to the soldier, but not the soldier himself.

In this case though, nothing of a new concept was created, the character, background, hat, effect and method of taking the screenshot is not native to the one who took the screenshot.

Originally posted by Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!:

I got his trade closed, next time its going to be a ban
Spoke to HelenAngel about it, she was quite accomodating about it.
I will upload the chatlog if she gives me the yes.
You AREN'T allowed to do this on outpost, not sure about on any other forums, but you get 1 warning then a ban I think.

That's honestly quite disappointing, he really had no reason to take it down at all, just taking a screenshot does not give you the right to tell others how it's used.

Actually when looking at this case, there is zero indication at all of who took the image in the first place, commissioned or not. For all anyone knows, both people found it on Google images and one has declared credit for it on their page. The image has no indication of a name or watermark to give credit to anyone, and the request to take it down gave zero proof they actually made it, meaning I could do the same to one of many different trades. This is actually a choice I think the mod made a terrible judgement on.

Originally posted by Zemnmez:

Originally posted by Chaos <3:

is this thread a joke?

Maybe

I think it did just about now

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

Originally posted by Zemnmez:

Hm, I'm not so sure, I think the guy might get intellectual property over the concept, I'll have to look it up.

Easiest way to understand it would be if it were legal to sell the image in a replicated print. In this case, Valve could easily order a cease and desist order on this image because it was made using their program and has their character featured with nothing added that is original to the maker.

This is why the art world falls under a heavy gray area due to commissioned (drawn) art because of the vague borderlines of what constitutes a parody, satire, or plain fair use. If it were to be a photo of a guy dressed as the soldier with that hat and pose, then the creator would have full rights due to it being a new concept related to the soldier, but not the soldier himself.

In this case though, nothing of a new concept was created, the character, background, hat, effect and method of taking the screenshot is not native to the one who took the screenshot.

Originally posted by Ploppai! B. Trading Card Sets!:

I got his trade closed, next time its going to be a ban
Spoke to HelenAngel about it, she was quite accomodating about it.
I will upload the chatlog if she gives me the yes.
You AREN'T allowed to do this on outpost, not sure about on any other forums, but you get 1 warning then a ban I think.

That's honestly quite disappointing, he really had no reason to take it down at all, just taking a screenshot does not give you the right to tell others how it's used.

Not sure why you would find this disappointing. If you paid for say an advertisement or a picture of your company to promote it. And an indentical company came along with it and used it without asking permission and neglecting to give credit, how would you feel?
Yes, I know they don't have the same laws, they are different circumstances, but the fact remaining is. You paid for something and someone else is using it without permission. It's just wrong.

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

Actually when looking at this case, there is zero indication at all of who took the image in the first place, commissioned or not. For all anyone knows, both people found it on Google images and one has declared credit for it on their page. The image has no indication of a name or watermark to give credit to anyone, and the request to take it down gave zero proof they actually made it, meaning I could do the same to one of many different trades. This is actually a choice I think the mod made a terrible judgement on.

Actually, there isn't.
If you look at my trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10938228 he found out who the person was, and arrogantly enough check it > http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11067710

[NoD] nrtc (1 day ago)

" *Please do not use the SFM image without asking, it was a commissioned piece. "

Shows the arrogance and stupidity of him right there.