always screenshot, always check profiles and real urls of every person involved to make sure they are not just an alias. without that its hard to report to steamrep, as you have no evidence. you can go on their profile pages and report to steam, and the very least they can see they got one way trades going. but withotu evidence they scammed you paypal, they will probably have to wait for more evidence to come in because for all they know you got paid and are now trying to get something back. thats the problem of trading outside the system. if those people have money they can always buy keys.

virus scanners are always one step behind virus writers. its just how the game works.

Originally posted by samhudson333:

Originally posted by MA::Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Acting like a little power mad dictator is just bad, against the rules or not, little power nazi's who issue edicts in their trades...its just bad form. And on more than one occasion I've noticed they tend to be hypocrites, doing to others what they would scream about in their own trades, I've seen them come into my trades to comment on prices or whatever but when I look at their trades they list a bunch of rules of "do not insult me".

Fun correlation: If you have an idiot list in your trade, you're probably the idiot. If you think everyone else is wrong, you're probably wrong.

Eh, fun logic only goes so far...., if you think everyone is smart, you are smart. ;)

Its more about how sometimes giving people with little power irl some power online can make them go power mad, not everyone can handle it. The meek are not always wise or fair if given the chance at control themselves.

Originally posted by SpaceFührer:

The one who blocks you when you add them and politely ask to buy it for their listed price
The one who has a lower buying price in their description that in the items (I report for this, as it is against the rules)
The one who has ridiculous prices, but refuses to lower by even a weapon. (and nobody ever buys their stuff, it's hilarious)
The spreadsheet user who only buys and sells for the backpack.tf prices.
The one who sells sets for nearly double the value of the individual items
The one who sells sets of irrelevant items.

an example of a bad set.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8636464
its his right, but seriously, those items he's adding to the set are next to worthless.

Originally posted by pew pew laser beams:

A simple compilation of what not to do.

the traders that say What u want!? im like wtf.
the traders that ask for more then what they have listed....
the traders that make you wait 1 minute, *then you wait forever to trade.
the traders that already sold the item they have listed, im like srly.. remove the item from your trade, this happens a lot.
the traders that take forever to write something in steam friends chat.
the traders that say someone else just added me, and wants to buy it too, you will need to add more if you want it, i´m like dat bluff.
the traders that take forever to accept friend request.
the traders that just want keys and refuse metal.
traders that say rep me? ..
the dude that adds you to buy something that you aren´t selling in outpost.
the dudes that ask for discount in trade isntead of posting first in your post.
The dudes that ignore the prices listed on your trade and demands tf.backpack prices.
the dudes that say its they birthday so they can get free stuff or discounts..
The dudes that pay with weapons.
the dudes that add you and say that the item they want to trade for your stuff worths more then it does.
the dudes that say F#$#$ Y#$ then delete you when you say I´m not interested. My personal counter attack tatic is to login in an alt account, add the dude and say U "#$ "#$"4 "#$" then delete him before he can reply .
The dudes that put a girls pic in theyr profile and pretend theyr girls for special prices.
when a dude wants to stay in your friends list after the trade.
the dudes that say what can you give me for this item..
the dudes that add you asking for free stuff.
people that add you to buy your stuff in a couple of days.
dudes that imeditialy send u a trade invite without telling you wich item, im like how im suposed to know.
you say thank you after the trade, and the other person just deletes you and says nothing .3
the "I saw your trade on outpost" guys - "which one?" "erm...."
the I added you because I'm a scammer and banned on outpost guys
the I can't understand what you're selling and what your wishlist is guys [trying to buy what you're buying / sell what you're selling]
the I made an offer on your trade but now that you've accepted it I change my mind/want more guys
"When a trader gives you shit, and later on says 'his little brother was on'."
(random guy add) "20 единиц оружия для вашего необычного?"
"wtf? try english"
The one who is supposedly "new to TF2" but who will automagically aim for the most valuable items in your inventory (Bill's, Buds, unusuals etc).
The one who adds you and goes afk for the rest of the day 5 seconds later.
The one who is online but won't bother replying to your messages.
The one who sends you a friend request and cancels it before you're able to accept it.
The one who will list the store price of his games in brackets.
The one who adds you and later asks you "Why the heck did you add me?"
The one who will call you a scammer for offering 1 scrap below/above average price.
The one who assumes you're a noob and offers some weapons and hats for your buds
The one who will quicksell or offer you "cheap" items for x1.5 their value.
The one who adds you without reading your notes (despite clearly stating I do not want other offers, I accept only keys, please do not add me, offer on my trade etc).
the one who adds you, then says "wait" looking for a cheaper one
traders that uber hightball saying that theyr item is very rare and therefore it worths 1 bud aka uncraft vita saws and stuff.

by pew pew, Xile, Mr Tiger, eddy, norby89, rusty frame

Some of your stuff is valid, but some of it is wrong.

Why do traders only accept keys. Keys do not depreciate, metal does, buying keys takes time and might cost you metal loss, so who should eat the loss to get a key? You, not the one you are buying from. If they accept metal it just means they don't know or just need metal. Backpack space is also a cost, and a huge amount of metal actually costs you money in expanders or just time and trouble...so its not worth it.

Traders going what do you want? I don't know about that, I've had more buyers who spam add people and get rather confused at what they wanted to buy from me. Sellers don't spam add people after all. Furthermore many traders seem to think you only have one trade, and so they will say they want an item in the most vague way, practically saying I want to buy your hat. Then you have to pull teeth to figure out which one they are talkig about, its like a detectives interrogation, its like hey, you added me, and you can't tell me what you want to buy? Worst is when they don't even remember the price.

Annoying traders are one that add you while they are in a trade server, so they keep you on hold while they try to get a better deal...wasting your time. Its not that hard to figure out what they are doing now.

But yes, the ones that call you a scammer after they added you, and you won't agree to their price are rather bizarre, you added me after reading my post, try to force me to take your new price, many times a price where I lose money, and then you call me names....

The ones who add you and beg are also bad. Either they tell a sob story or well, they beg for a lower price or for free items. I've heard its my birthday today to the worst being..my grandma died today and i'm sad, a story told to one of my other friends by the same guy a few weeks later, so obvious lie or shameless exploitation.

People who ask you to reserve things, never do it, they either forget or buy it from someone else they reserved with who was online before you or whatever.

People with unsearchable characters in their name. Makes using the search feature of your friends list next to impossible.

And yea people that take minutes to type one line, very annoying.

and yea people who add you, you say hello, they just delete you, can't be bothered to say why, quite rude. tends to be add spammers that do this. and it is just one glaring example of why people need to stop with the +rep system. I'll rep you, you rep me is a horrible joke. The guy that adds 10 people, trades with one, ignores the rest for hours before removing them gets a +rep from the guy he did trade with. Its like if you got a +rep for buying a hamburger at mcdonalds...with money, as if that were going above and beyond the call of duty and reflects well on your character. Reminds me of a bit by chris rock about people wanting credit for things they are "spos" to do. I raise my children! Yea you are "spos" to do that. People buy rep with rep when it comes down to it, and its about the biggest false indicator out there, the only purpose its good for is scamming to be frank, no one with good sense believes in it anyways. Its just a big waste of time and everyone needs to stop.


Btw a good trick for remembering why you added someone or just remembering someone for later when they get back online is to add a note as their nickname on your friends list.

Acting like a little power mad dictator is just bad, against the rules or not, little power nazi's who issue edicts in their trades...its just bad form. And on more than one occasion I've noticed they tend to be hypocrites, doing to others what they would scream about in their own trades, I've seen them come into my trades to comment on prices or whatever but when I look at their trades they list a bunch of rules of "do not insult me".

Do not be one of those nerds who once given a little power becomes arrogant and has a chip on their shoulder.

Originally posted by ;864959810137070657:

A trade is up 24 hours a day. People are not up 24 hrs per day. What they mean is "Add me for a fast trade if I am online, instead of offering on here and waiting for me to get back to you and then waiting for you to add me."

If they only say it if they actually do it then absolutely no one could have that on their trades since we all sleep.

yup its just impractical to take your trades down every time you are afk.

yea but you could say that about lots of stuff, the robot chicken hat is barely worth anything, stuff tends to get valuable if people didnt know they might be at the time...

Originally posted by Nobel Idle:

Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

not really, special cases where people had no idea things would become valuable were the bills and buds. you see the difference between 2011 and 2012 festives, once the gold rush is on, the stuff is no longer valuable, now 2012 festives are trash, and the robot chicken hat is no more than 1.33 ref.

im not sure what youre "not really[ing]" to. It sounds like youre saying that the tux wont be as valuable (which i agree with?). If youre responding to my first sentence about price rise with limited supply, its qualified with the second part about demand.

Sorry if im not reading things clearly, im pretty tired this week. :p

well supply and demand is arbitrary in tf2, there are like a hundred thousand or more bills caps after all. i'm sure some craft hats are pretty rare at this point, people just don't want the ugly things and so they remain worthless. i think the tux comes after the cat was out of the bag, so it will never be rare or sought after.

i've noticed a lot of price commenters have empty backpacks, very annoying. they are just people who have no business being in your trade to begin with