well i reported this one weeks ago but nothing happened. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8045488
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8045318
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8045356
i think it qualifies as sharking when you offer 5 refined for a 9 key mk2 gold wrench....

other people complained in the trade post too but i think it slipped through the cracks

Originally posted by Wrathalos:

I know this is long, but it is crucially important, read all before commenting.

Alright, we all know keys have been rising in price and are not on their way to stopping. Anyone with a brain who thought this out realizes this is making metal worth less every time it rises. As a result, things below a key value also lose value. But here's something many people do not realize: backpack.tf is a bible of prices nearly everyone uses to reference. Many items are valued through keys or ref (buds in case of unusuals). When key value goes up so does the items valued in keys, while the others valued in ref get the short-end of the stick (for example an item valued at one key and another valued at 3.66 ref. One day passes, key goes up and inadvertently the first item raises in price also, relative to the other.) What this means is, essentially, the richer people who have more items valued in keys will become richer and the poorer/newer people who have items valued in ref get poorer. How can this be resolved? Easy, the resolution should have been administered a long time ago: make every item valued in ref. Think about it, an all-father instead of 2 keys switches to 7.66 (same value just in different terms) the important point is the value of the all-father will be subject to change by itself and market forces not inflation of keys. Some may argue that this will be confusing for people who have multibud valued unusuals ect. This could be confusing at first but any person with half a brain can figure it out, especially if backpack.tf translates the ref into keys. What do you guys think? This will virtually solve the key inflation problem for the most part, all that must be done is a makeover of backpack.tf

:P

This is like telling everyone to value things in cents rather than dollars, you aren't going to fool anyone. Keys are valuable because they are directly linked to money, whereas metal rains on everyone.

The gap between the haves and have nots doesn't really grow, keys actually get cheaper in terms of real money when real money inflates and the price of the key remains the same. Since tf2 started selling keys, how much has the price of gas jumped for instance...

"Anyone with a brain" can figure this out, many people play this as their primary game, saving them at the very least 50 bucks on another game if not multiples, spend just 1 games worth on keys and it becomes not a problem...so you are left with the very cheap or poor, and theres nothing to be done about such people. Keys only buy cosmetics, staples of gaming, the weapons are free or affordable to all, there is no weapon inflation, its 1 scrap for any weapon you want, outside of stranges.

People who look at the low buying power of metal and think theres something fundamentally wrong about it or that it breaks the system don't really understand how the world works. Look at real money, in the 1950s you could buy a whole hershey chocolate bar for a nickel, they prided themselves on that price, now its so low it looks like a joke to our eyes, but we still go on, and children today probably have more buying power than ever before. So its not that simple...

Metal has always been worthless because of the fact of free. Its just become more apparent over time as valve mixes more real world money transactions into the system.

same bubble with retired hats. people forgot people will remember why they stopped caring about those hats, now its a game of passing the hot potato

Originally posted by Shasth:

Stop lying about tux value. Look at stats 26,877 copies of tux, 58,895 copies of earbuds. People are lazy to check it. Tux only 27k copies. Stupid dumbass like offer 2 - 5 keys that really degrading.

whos lying? you can't manipulate the market by lying about the price of your item when the market isn't willing to pay what you are claiming. i'm just pointing out the way it is, I have a few of these so i guess you can say i'm arguing against my self interest but you just can't bs your way to profit on this kind of stuff. part of the reason there are so few is that people don't want them that much to begin with.

http://stats.teamfortress.org/item/785/Robot_Chicken_Hat
pretty rare too right? certainly rarer than a bills cap, whats it cost? under 2 ref.

Originally posted by Xile{t}:

Depends, if your job was to link us to information that's going to have very little to do with the final value of the Tux, you did a fine job, if you were trying to convince anyone it's going to be worth a lot, I'm afraid it was a poor effort.

Supply & Demand are what matters, supply can be less [looks like it will be] but the price can still be a craft hat if no one wants to buy them

yup many craft items have been crafted to rare levels, but the fact remains, no one wants them. bills caps are 100+ k , but they are still the bills cap. how many 5 dollar bills exist ....millions..doesn't drive their value down

you don't get marked as scammer on sourcerep without evidence, people screenshot their trades with such people, and that tends to be after the guys already scammed way through dozens or more people who didn't have the presence of mind to both screenshot and make a report on them. i've had scammers try me, i report them, look at their bp's and see unusuals, i then look at source rep threads and find someone lost that very unusual, sometimes their report is rejected because it doesn't have enough evidence, but its very clear how dirty that person is. if he's marked scammer he could be offloading his stolen goods on you, thats for sure. steam moves slow, so there might be a gap between reports and his trade ban, i've seen it take weeks before with blatant scammers.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

Originally posted by ☆¸.•*Zero Beat*•. ¸☆:

Did you enter it into a fake outpost?

Since we haven't heard from him for a while, I guess the issue resolved itself.
A fake Outpost alone would not do anything, you would also need to fake the Steam login page.
I guess there are easier ways to phish than trying that.

not really, redirecting to a fake steam to steal login would be exactly what they would do. the site would then claim it was down for maintenance while they steal your stuff.

chat is saved now, open the chat again and you will see what is said, but its not the most important thing which is screenshots of the trade window
but in any case something is better than nothing, you can send the chat screenshot to valve, but its not enough for steamrep

*nm i forgot u'd have to add them again... well if the chats have some log buffer now i guess valve can access some chat logs...

naw that would be absurd. its too big to fit in a pouch so the butt it is. thats basically the only place it makes sense at all.

anyways buds..apple has a cool factor along with the rest that linux doesn't have, so there is just no way this will become expensive. plus, anyone can install linux, not everyone could get a mac or even borrow one, it was a much higher hurdle to jump to get one, back when people had no idea it would become anything.

well more like those retired hats. people are starting to remember why they didnt' care bout those hats again;)