"One valid question might be, why did some low tier Vintage and Genuine items not change their price in Metal too.
So if anything, you should've made a discussion: The Vintage SBS should be 1.44-1.66 ref now."

Not as sexy. Wouldn't get the attention.

What if ref has not been increasing at the rate everyone thinks it has for the last 5 months.
Hmmm
Who's traking that number. Anyone???

What do u mean u can't view it.
In it I state that on 3/4/13 there was 1.228 mill ref in the game. That date is before the last key price increase. Today there is 1.243 mill ref. That is a change just over 1%. If the current key price increase passes, it will mean an over 3% increase from that time. The two do not match up and they should. Just try to consider that there may be another cause then ref devaluation.

"What. I don't even. For the 10th time, keys did not, repeat.. keys did not increase in VALUE."

To a high end trader it may not seem that way but I have shown that they have.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513ddd334bd7b8564a00000a#513e04feba2536956400000e_row

This is the latest price vote and I have placed a statement in it. Please read.

"When you have pure and someone is asking for pure, you don't really have to comment. You just add them and trade. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here."

Thats actually helpfull. In most of my trades people still state offer in comments even if in pure.

Cute picture.

Around the christmas price.

Heres one for the Bud

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8745919

No pure offers and lots of item offers.
The guy offering a bunch of stuff on the bottom (fellhound) has enough keys in inventory to buy it but doesn't.

Also, they were festives. Kind of hard to think they wouldn't change by now.

Originally posted by norby89:

I never said it wasn't important to me. However you have to understand that there are people out there who don't take it too seriously. Trading is a hobby for most and a hobby should be something that doesn't take up all your time. It's unrealistic to expect everyone to keep their prices up to date in a market that's ever changing. Heck even I find it difficult sometimes when I'm dealing with 100 items at once, I just can't keep track of every little change.

No, the guy had recents communications with prospect about it. He admited to not caring.

"However you make no sense when you want to shorten that gap by cutting every items value in half.."

U misunderstand. I don't want to cut something in half. I am pointing out that market forces should decrease price of Bills (in terms of key) not its value. I hav made it clear that ref did not devalue (nothing uv said counters what I hav shown either). It is not in overabundancy to most player/traders. I know that personally.

If ref has not devalued than the key has increased in value. This does not mean that any of the "currancy" items priced in keys have also increased in value. If there were a run on Bills hats and those willing to sell them were running in short supply than bp,tf would recieve a request to up the price, lets say to ten keys. Would u say, no, its an excepted currancy item and can not move.

Look at most of trades including the Bills hat. They r mostly item for item trades. Im not sure that validates its value as much as validates the belief in its value.

ex - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8475445

after one month did not move his white bills for 10 pure had to drop price to 9 and sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8505218

no takers for pure offer


Look at the Sharp dresser. Most posts r looking for currency not items. Theres enough oppertunity to validate its actual value.

An item for item trade doesn't neccesarily validate its currency value.

With the 32 ref i wouldn't be allowed ot buy the bills for, I could buy other items and make 40 from it.

Maybe ill post an offer to buy a bills for 7 and see what happens.