If you mean that the Huns also represent Hungary: there is no evidence that the Huns and the Hungarians were related to each other. In fact, the opposite is scientific consensus. Sure, there is no evidence either that Huns and Hungarians were not related to each other. For instance, we know almost nothing about the hunnic language. To me, it seems likely that they had contact with each other, yet it is unclear whether they were related (like parent and child? or like brothers?) or whether Hungarians may have been part of the Hun confederation or whether they only knew about each other. Even if Hungarians and Huns are related, they shouldn't be treated as being the same.

@cool3a2 the huns????? theres no italy because theres rome (nobody wants italy anyway)

A petition to get Hungary into civ5, feel free to sign: {LINK REMOVED}http://www.change.org/petitions/firaxis-games-hungary-to-civilization

Ridiculous: the devs have marked this incompatible with civ5. There is a hint about this where it gives a link about instructions which simply leads back to here. Really, I see that the devs may not like this, but simply marking this incompatible despite of the content that might be useful for players, and without giving any statement, that is bad habit. Doesn't seem like self-critics is their strength - censors.

Thank you for your understanding regarding the reasons why I dislike the austrian civ as it currently is. Regarding the pic, I start to think that it might be interpreted slightly differently depending on the country / region people live in...

An impresive amount of information provided here, I can understand why a Hungarian such as yourself (I'm assuming) would be upset by the disregard for accuracy for the Austrian civ. That said, your thumbnail seems questionable at best. The description provides plently of evidence as to why the civ should be tweaked and also properly conveys your frustration for the factual errors in game so the use of the picture seems ultimately unnecessary. It really just comes off as an attempt to draw in the curious, which it actually does a pretty good job of! You can of course just disregard this comment if you want though, maybe I'm just easily offended or something...

Thank you guys!

This is a neat mod, really helpful when combined with a Hungary custom civ. Great job!

nice pic

I will think about your suggestion, it sounds valid for at least the Landwehr of the German Reich, so thank you. Yet I did some searchs when thinking about the austrian uu. Based on your avatar and yur username, I suppose you understand german: {LINK REMOVED}http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.k._Landwehr The german Wikipedia article clearly says that the k.k. Landwehr, unlike that of the German Reich, was not build from reservists, but was a regular army. Which is why I made it a strong unit for defense purposes. Also, the k.k. Landwehr was built in 1869 after the austro-hungarian Ausgleich that granted more rights to Hungary, including building an own army. This ways, the k.k. Landwehr was not involved in napoleonic wars. Seems like the k.k. Landwehr was even better equiped than the common army.

Landwehr is basically militia. So maybe cheaper and very easy to produce but slightly weaker than standard riflemen? Instead of starting with promotions

I am sure an author is hungarian.

Well, I will think about your suggestion, but I don't think the Landwehrs could be confused as I called the unit k.k. Landwehr. Also, I don't think that the word Landwehr is known outside Germany and Austria. This ways, how should they confuse them?

I think that Landwehr is a bad idea. First of all it could be confusing since the Prussians also used Landwehr. Landwehr was a militia unit and not that well trained. They were mostly made up of volenteers during the napoleanic wars. Maybe Archduke Charles Legion as a replacement for the riflemen instead of the landwehr. Charles legion was an elite regiment of the Austrian army.

Thank you two for your comments. I have to say that I don't like films like Argo (there is also an hungarian movie with the same name that was fair btw) or Inglorious Bastards just because they are misleading regarding history. There are too much people not knowing enough about history that could be biased this ways. If I do not know enough about the historic background a film plays in, I got the this problem myself, I have to say. Braveheart was such an example in my case.
The Landwehr is a rifleman unit that has bonuses on hills and woods and that can cross peaks. I was thinking on Austrias natural territory and on the k.k. Gebirgstruppe that was part of the Landwehr.

The Landwehr replaces the Hussar, I got that; what does it do/class is it in etcetera? Modly wise, I'm a Historian Professor; I play this game and I *seethe* at the glaring inaccuracies, so by all means; Points given, good on you. Well done.

Good on you for wanting to spread the truth, there are too many innaccuracies in today's media. I, however, beleive that anyone who will take a videogame or movie at face value is somewhat of a moron to begin with. Like American's that beleive Argo is accurately portrays the truth.

a) I did not say it's aimed at nobody, it's aimed at Firaxis, yet to be taken with a pinch of salt. b) I'm not doing this for Austria, but for Hungary.

You take a computerised boardgame about nuking Attila as Ghandi way to seriously. I can understand being upset about your culture's representation in a product, but thats no reason to passive agressivly put a middle finger picture up for you fix and then claim its not aimed at anyone while at the same time calling Fraxis idiots for not being perfectly true to life with Austra.

during the rennisance the holy roman empire composed of austria, germany, and a ton of papal states so these traits are true to history

You just pointed out the huge problem here: 98% of Civ players don't know anything about Hungary or Poland. I can confirm that in Germany people don't learn anything about Hungary in school. This ways, they are unable to decide what is true or not when playing games like this. In other words, Civ5 spreads wrong information. Also, paying a fair price for a good product is oftenly advertised, yet fair trade works in both directions. If I pay a considerable amount of money for a game, that I, thanks to steam, can't even return, I can expect it to be of quality. As of the colour and icon matter, this just points out another flaw in Civ5s design. You can hardly add any civ without having it look similar to another civ.

Don't you think that you are kinda overreacting? I bet 98% of Civ players don't even know what you are talking about here ;) As a Silesian, I really do understand your concerns, but Austria looks now like Russia so instead of helping a few polish and maybe hungarian modders, you screw over all Civ players hehe
Btw, the finger... Civilized people don't use such images as symbols for their work, be it irony or not. You are hurting your own work and then try to present yourself as a victim. It's an as silly as common attitude both in Poland and Hungary nowadays.

Nope, German and Hungarian.

Are you austrian

As of the colours, switching the colours while keeping civ5s default behaviour would mean, that the colours would need to be swapped for the icon as well, which in turn would be a bad idea I think. I see your point though, we have the same dilemma with the Hungary mod as well and likely also with many other mods. I suppose best thing we could do is waiting for Firaxis to alter the basic colour setup -> switching to three colours for example.

Well, finally there are some positive opinions about this, too, or at least statements that doesn't care much for the image. I might replace the finger with an alternative version that clearly says at whom it is addressed and that may emphasize the irony more.

Thanxs 4 this bugfix. Finger is nice. Keep up the good work.

Is it possible for you to change the colours so it is yellow on black or yellow on a dark brown, personally i like my civs to be distinguished from one another (as this mod accomplishes historically, but now colour change matches Russia). as for the middle finger, ive seen this mod on steam since it first was uploaded, only ever checked it from the link on your hungary mod... if you want more people to look into this mod perhaps change it to something more appropiate (like the landwher image)

why dosent firaxis make mods part of the game? There so many good mods that crash on me that would make the game better. Can we start a kick staeter?

First its a game....Second this is not the place for any of that. Its a workshop, not a forum. Third...I reported you.

this is a huge overreaction to some shit nboody but dumb nationalists care about

Astria-hungarin civillazation would just sound weird. they probly called it astriam civ for simplicity not realizing the shortend title would offend. if you have an issue with the way it is petition faraxis and don't scream and rant like a child on the community pages.

political correctness in a game where george washington commanded leonidas in 1957 to go to war with babylon

Yeah, I agree with crazy_alan. The middle finger is really offensive to the steam community.

About the middle finger, people are more likely to pass up your mod thinking you are some idiot kid flipping off the entire steam workshop community, not someone mad at Firaxis. You seem to have put some thought in your arguement, but only in the comments. Technically this isn't a bugfix, just a mod to make things more historically accurate, according to you, I don't know Austrian/Hungry history enough to say one way or another. Plus, it is just a game, don't act like this is where people are gonna get their history from, maybe they will just pick up a few things and move on with the game, but not in that detail. Back to the middle finger, grow up.

I reported this mod for the title picture. Please change the pic to something informative or at least innocuous. Thanks!

shut the fuck up

Don't know. In any case, they can make a similar mod as well. BTW: I have just updated this mod that now uses bernies art for the k.k. Landwehr.

Shouldn't Ukranians be equally angry that the UU for Russia is the Cossack, a people that generally lived in the Ukranian region?

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I think we are the second in place, right after the US, even without counting different versions of the same leaders. There are even more than one Hungary mod + a module for Varietas Delectat. So, I think the hungarian community and its helpers were quite active. So, without beeing arrogant, I think it is fair to say that our mod would have deserved some attention, even if there are not su much users of it around.

Back to civ5. As requesting a hussar unit wouldn't have been hard, firaxis didn't make it really easier for us. Even more, if I would add Hungary with the Hussar as a unique unit, the definition of 'unique' wouldn't be met. For some, this might not be a problem, which is why I provided the Austria bugfix separately, so you don't need to stick to the Landwehr. Also, I already stated that the Hussar was not their only mistake.

And no, I won't remove the picture. I am a free man, free to comment and critisize. So please, don't make commands, okay?

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I agree that modding units is hard, but there are people around that are good at it. I could request it, not a serious problem. Also, there is good stuff for civ4, which can be converted for civ5. Even more, I actually have plans to customize the hussars look a bit to reflect the traditional coloring of hungarian hussars.

Now about the civ4 Hungary mod. If you give my civ4 mod a shot, you'll see that I, together with other modders, have done great work. We have quite a lot of buildings and units, custom diplo texts, custom sounds, custom dll, custom citysets, custom leaderheads, translation for 4 languages (italian, german, english, hungarian)... you will hardly find a second mod that simply adds a civ to the game that is that comprehensive. I think that the mods package was already more than 100mb, even that is outstriking. Also, if you can't all the hungarian leaders that have been done by the community, you'll see that we are in the top 10.

Why should they have taken mods in consideration especially for a mod that is no where near the most popular? And, in fact, you should be thanking them because they actually made it easier for you to mod in Hungary. They gave you a completely finished Hussar unit with icon and all. Art assets are the hardest part of making a mod. You could have simply included this "bugfix" as part of your Hungary mod and suddenly you have one mod that both adds Hungary and replaces Austria's UU, i.e. Austria having the Hussar does nothing to Hungary modding but help so there's no reason for your anger and the offensive image. Change it.

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Also, they could still have take the civ4 modding scene in consideration, seeing that it will be hard to mod in Hungary if the hussar is Austrias UU already.

Well, neither do you need to like my mod nor do you need to use it. But again, don't wonder if you western supermen give a damn on us, eastern european people, that we respond in an angry way.

(Please, site admins, extend the character limit to 2000 and give feedback of how much characters have been used when the limit is exceeded. Giving arguments is just impossible this ways.)

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Well, I doubt you are right by stating that the Austria in the game is plain Habsburg Empire. The button clearly resembles the modern day coat of arms and the civ in question is called Austria (based on the german translation of the game), not Habsburg or Austrian Empire or something. Even more, the civilopedia entry talks about the Republic of Austria.
And even if it would be correct that the civ in game is about the Habsburg Empire, it would still be a major mistake. Civilization is about, well, civs, not states, not even countries. This ways, including Austria as civ was a mistake per se as Austria would have been part of the german civ. But even if they include it as a civ, they could have focused on things being austrian rather than include anything that just has any distant connection. What comes next? Greater Germany with Warsaw as a german city?

Except, Firaxis didn't actually do anything wrong. Your obsession with political correctness just shows your obssession with contemporary Hungary, Polan, Austria and completely disregards historical fact. Austria in-game does not represent what these nations are today. Austria in-game clearly represents the Hapsburg monarchy, which you know what, includes the period of Austria-Hingary. Considering the time-frame represented in-game it's is perfectly logical and reasonable to give them the Hussar as a unit. It's not a bug or a mistake. As for the icon, well, Russia was already using yellow and black.

I elaborated a little bit more on this on civfanatics, but didn't do here. Unfortunately, this page allows messages of max. 1000 characters, which is too few to explain myself properly. So let me just state that this finger is not meant to be addressed at Austria or Austrians, but at Firaxis, because I believe the way they did Austria left any political correctness. I'm not thinking on the hussars solely here and not only do I consider the hungarian point of view. I also noticed that there are also Poles that seem to be upset because of the button.

So, yes, the gesture is harsh and provocative, but it's an adequate answer on what they did. If they ignore political correctness, they can't expect lovely strokes from us. At least, I might get some attention to my point this ways.

I agree that the hussars don't fit Austria, but that middle-finger picture isn't appropriate here.