So this does work in Multiplayer and on FOTS and it is brutal!! Just as a defense should be though admittedly it may be a bit much, lol. Makes it much easier to defend towns with just a few levy units.

whats that pic from

The mod works perfectly fine, I'm just unsure as to what rifle tower would be, considering you can only have arrow, matchlock, gatling and cannon towers.

I would doubt it works now, I have to recompile after major patches. I've got a new pc so the whole setup I used to compile these is gone.

Compile's not the right term, but you get the idea.

stiil works?

update a last time plz.

Unlikely. Haven't modded shogun 2 in (literally) years.

I doubt it but, Update?

Does this work with Darthmod?

You might want to also increase balance in auto resolve for defending castles with towers if possible

It might. Try it.

work with Darth mod?

Mark: It may well be, I can only suggest that you try it. This mod alters the projectile attributes. By the look of it that alters the building attributes.

Compatible with this mod?
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=102702499

yea, this mod only works for clean game... better map mod or , tweaked garrison mod will destroy any army without +5 armour naginata

its super OP if u use small unit size XD instant kill

I this is awasome but could u maybe make an really op version as well?

Omg just did a battle sengoku period and the arrow towers destroyed what should have been a victory for the otha guy. Way to overkill when just starting a campaign and with a battle with a stronghold castle.

I must say that this mod, in combination with the Better Maps mod with the improved castles, really turns sieges into a meat grinder. Doubly so with your enhanced garrisons mod.

alright cool, keeps the balance then between you and the ai

@codfish107 - Yes. It's meant to discourage the player cheesing strongholds and up (strongholds are the first settlement that has defensive emplacements) because in vanilla a stronghold spawns with no bow unit - it leans entirely on those tower emplacements. By making the towers stronger, that defensive garrison that has no ranged capability suddenly costs a decent number of lives to overwhelm.

At higher levels the towers (houses?) are absolutely murderous, and you do NOT want to let them just sit there and fire on you. You want to either burn them or capture them.

does this apply with enemy controlled towers also in the vanilla

Works smooth, thanks!

A job is a perfectly good reason to be kept from the comments - you're doing better than the rest of usto have one! I also should be doing work (problem sheets and stuff), but this is so much more fun...

Glad to hear you worked it out! Sorry to not reply - I have a day job that keeps me away from the comments :( Just catching up now...

Never mind, I finally did it. It turns out you have to close the file manager before trying it out.

My mod is now active, and I've credited you in the descripton of each. Thank you very much...

After hours to get the file manager working and hours looking for the right table, I changed about four numbers, and it worked! However, as soon as I finish a battle (after the battle result - crushing defeat etc.) the game crashes to desktop. I have only edited db - projectiles_tables - projectiles. Is there something else I need to do?

But how do Ifind the table, open it, change it, and upload it?

As I said, I'm hopeless at modding with this system (I did a bit of stat tweaking in the original Rome, but that was much easier!)...

Well this mod is a bunch of number edits to the projectiles table. Towers have their own specific projectiles; I imagine it's not all that different in Rome 2.

You need a tool that can modify the Rome 2 database tables and save them in .pack file format. Best case scenario you limit your mod pack file to just one table that you modify. That way there's the smallest possible chance of conflicts with mods, as they can modify other tables without interfering with your work (and vice versa).

I am a big fan of this mod, and wish to see it in Rome II as well. As you said in your more recent mod that you wouldn't be getting Rome II until a sale (Christmas I expect), what would be the best way to do this?

I can't mod at all by the way (just tried and failed miserably)...

I have tested this mod very recently and it does work; if your towers are not firing there may be some incompatibility with some other mod you have installed.

@Neon Crayon: the changes are not consistent because of the reasoning cited above. Forum posts suggested that upgrading to a slower firing tower was felt to be wasteful, so I sought to keep the rate of fire the same between the three manned structures (arrow, matchlock, rifle) and the lethality of the weapon used differentiate between them instead. I know it's not realistic that they all have the same rate of fire.

Somehow my towers in vanilla Shogun 2 won't shoot at all now.

Why don't keep the balance of the game by just halving the firing delay of all the FOTS towers?

If you are going for more realism and balance, I would recommend changing the rifle rate fo fire to be noticably faster than matchlocks as their reloads are really much faster, but nearly as fast as the gattling gun. Also, a decent archer would probably fire slightly faster than a matchlock because of the slow reloading of matchlocks.

Is this compatible with Darthmod? It doesn't seem to be working

Good point Gladys, but there are many things which don't quite scale as they should (e.g. infantry being more susceptible to cannon fire on larger settings). But considering how hard it would be to do all that, CA did a good job!

You know, I think you're onto something there. Unfortunately the rate of fire is simply a number and can't be scaled with unit sizes as easily as one might think. I'd have to offer a mod for each unit size option.

This seems like a great mod. Faved and subscribed. However, I think that the core reason behind why this should be a vanilla feature is unit scaling. The default rates of fire were done for the "normal" unit scaling. However, most people play under the "large" and "huge" unit scalinings, and those have the same rates of fire but with x1.5 and x2 men, rendering tower fire more inefective by that same factor.

The most logical solution would be to modify the tower rate of fire AT least to match the unit scaling used in the game.

Of course, I still consider that the base rate is still low, but that's just my personal opinion.

You do have to remember that those big towers would house ten or more archers, so you could say the original (vanilla) rate was ridiculously slow...

I'd suggest trying it, if you don't like it simply unsubscribe and leave feedback that it's too fast. I've had one such concern already, if I get two I may tone it down.

I'm hesitant about installing this mod because although I would like archer towers to be much more of a threat than they are now, I want the game to still be realistic and the screenshot above shows archers firing arrows ridiculously fast.

The AI towers get the exact same buffs your towers do. The only place where this is a boon is if you autoresolve (as the new tower math isn't taken into account). So if you autoresolve your castle attacks and manually fight your castle defenses, yes, you're being cheap and abusing the advantage. But if you actively avoid autoresolving except in the most absurdly outnumbered battles, as I do, then it's a helpful addition when defending and a real obstacle when attacking. You can stave off larger numbers in defense, and even a small garrison becomes painful to attack.

Previously, you could pretty much ignore towers. Now they're a much bigger factor and upgrading forts to strongholds (and beyond) is truly meaningful.

There is no advantage over the AI, only in your strategy (if they take your towers, you're done for - and it can be much more difficult to assault their castles).

Read the comments, question is: should I use this mod? I don't like the over kill to have big advantage over AI.

After a bit of testing I think this is a good balance for me (I think that it should be difficult to assult a castle without seige weapons). So I will rate and favourite - one of the few that I will have done so with!

I have just now discovered that towers themselves have their own rate of fire modifier based on their structural development. The basic box on stilts has a rate of fire modifier of 2.0 (meaning it half as fast, i'd gather). The biggest, multi-level towers have a modifier of 1.0 (meaning it fires at the true speed). The rest fall somewhere in between.

If you assault a high tier castle, or have a castle mod - as I do in that screenshot - that tends to up the crank up the defensive emplacements, a relatively middle tier castle can have some multi-level towers that compound this mod's effect.

i like it keep it same

Charsi, great mod. Feedback: just defended a mid-game siege in SengJid on VH, where just 2 of 3 towers engaged (only 1 engaged the enemy for any length of time); accounted for nearly 800 of 3200 kills. Enemy had mostly tough units--ronin katana/naginata; and they hung on for a long time before breaking. Still, if just one tower accounted for most of 800 kills..then tower fire is needing a bit of toning down, imo.

XamaX on page 1 of the comments seems to think the rate of fire is "perfect". Give it a go, and if it doesn't feel fast enough to you, I can iterate on the numbers. Keep in mind though that I don't have much further I can push it. The original firing delay was 5. In the current version of this mod, it is 2 (so more than twice as fast). I can only cut it to 1, making it five times as fast as it's original rate of fire.

How fast do Gatling Towers Rate of Fire in this Mod? Is it Gatling Fast of just Riflemen Squad Fast?

Oh, I meant they're useful enough for me to fight for them now. If they were on a lower tier than my top one I'd just burn down my own tower then retreat up to the top tier.