@Athinks
I made 3 different editions: Lite, Standard and BEAST.
Lite is basically your mod but updated for 2.6.2, with the lithoid and ethics update.
Check it out ;)

@Athinks
Thank you! You too!
I credited you of course!

@hubertkenobi
You are awesome.

@Lord Dominion did it work for you adding that line to the script?

I'm supporting a new update:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2034226393

Update for 2.5?

This mod gives lithoids zero trait picks. Seems to work otherwise. Needs an update please

Is this going to be updated? So we can use this mod again.

Needs update for 2.5

plz update

@Aelflead Wayne that seems to already be there. does it need
inherit_traits_from = { BIOLOGICAL }
instead?

Will this be updated so it can be used with Lithoids?

Zero_master.com

No, it just doesn't appear period.

@Zero_master.com open the rar file and add the following code to common\species_archetypes\00_species_archetypes.txt will fix it
LITHOID = {
inherit_trait_points_from = BIOLOGICAL
}

Seems the Lithoid race don't work with this mod all race perks don't appear

tbh something is going screwy with my traits and I think it might be mod overlap. I need to check things.

@DKeith2011
Are you 100% sure that it is incompatible, or simply going off the launcher?

If the latter, I am not currently active with Stellaris, but to my knowledge they haven't changed the Empire creation in any way that would have an effect.

:)

Needs update for 2.3.3

Additionally, I tested up to Empire Creation Screen with this mod and it functions properly there. Have not launched a game but I'll be doing that.

By far the most important feature of this mod is it's capability to allow hive minds to have an opinion.

Well is this mod being updated for 2.3?

well there's probably another mod somewhere... I'll have to look around for anything. thank you

@I aM tHe SeNaTe
Huh. Are you using other mods that also alter those files? Because then it might be to do with mod load order. This mod changes the cost to 4 and it works fine for me on its own.

yeah, no luck on getting GC to cost 4 points. I get all sorts of bugs from a hive mind picking up regular behaviors from their 4th ethic point. changing the value from 3 to 4 has no effect in game for me

In 1) (for ethics) you want to edit these lines:
"
NGameplay = {
GOVERNMENT_CIVIC_POINTS_BASE = 4
ETHOS_MAX_POINTS = 4
}
"
In 2) (for gestalt consciousness cost)
"
ethic_gestalt_consciousness = {
playable = {
OR = {
host_has_dlc = "Utopia"
host_has_dlc = "Synthetic Dawn Story Pack"
}
}

cost = 4
category = "hive"
category_value = 0
use_for_pops = no

country_modifier = {
country_war_exhaustion_mult = -0.2
country_base_influence_produces_add = 1
}
"

In 3) (for species points)
"
@robot_trait_points = 0
@robot_max_traits = 6
@machine_trait_points = 2
@machine_max_traits = 6
@species_trait_points = 3
@species_max_traits = 6
"

@jweller
I think that would require messing around with mod load order or making a total copy of their mod, editing, and uploading (which I'm not sure of ethicality of).

But I can give you step by step on changing their mod. Notepad++ is good for this.

The files required for editing are:
1) common/defines/civic_and_ethic_defines
2) common/ethics/00_ethics
3) common/species_archetypes/00_species archetypes

can you please make a patch for this mod https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1100284147 ?
im not getting the extra ethic and civic points
i was stareing at the mods notepad for an hour, the only one thats in the notepad is civic points. which i changed it to 4 but than i exited without saving becaouse i couldnt find the ethics value.

@Chosokabe
Random generated AI empires will use all available points and picks (quite likely in unusual combinations) but pre-gens will not.

@Melody
I would make variations, but the mod is very simple and keeping all different stuff updated is a bit of a pain. Luckily, it is pretty easy to change. If you go to "...\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\281990" and find (in the randonumbered folders) a zip called setup, extract that to your "...\Documents\Paradox Interactive\Stellaris\mod" folder and tweak away.

Still wish there was a version without the extra ethic point. 3's enough for me.

Will this mod auto let the AI empires pick more points? or do i have to go in to all the AI empires and edit them all to start with more traints, ethics?

@Better❤Red
Thanks for the credit. Happy Stellarising!

I forgot to link it. This version gives both machine and organic empires 5 trait points to spend at the start and maximum of ten trait slots. I left a lot of other links to mods that work with it. https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1649393655

Hey! I made a mod that is just a quick edit of yours. I uploaded it to the workshop so that I could share it with a friend for multiplayer, so I linked back here and credited you but I wanted to let you know. Thank you for sharing your work.

@Monocle Squid
That was a reference to a long-buried comment. So your confusion is very understandable. Basically, the way that ethics, civics, and traits are coded hasn't changed in ages. So this is probably backwards compatible. I just haven't tested it.

It says "earlier back to 1.6 (see below)" but there isn't anything below. Is there still a 1.9 version available??? Thanks

Oh good, thanks!

@KuchenEsser
I've actually just uploaded a fix for that (likely an identical change to Wiirlak's).

@KuchenEsser as far as I know, yes it does - I made my own version without this problems - check the link I posted below

So does this still mess with hive minds and machine empires?

@Wiirlak
Cool! Thanks for the mention.

@Athinks I modified your mod to my taste and uploaded to the workshop.

I merely added traits points and picks : https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1608743143

@Wyrd
Good shout, will get on that tomorrow. Noticed some other weird combos though. Somehow got an inward perfectionist, pacifist, determined exterminator. But not sure how mod done that as they should be mutually exclusive.

*Gestalt Conciousness, always mix them up

The thing with the Hive Mind ethic is that it costs 3 points usually and that's what locks you out of the other choices, so changing it to 4 points should help.

Otherwise you get weirdness like I did where an empire was able to completely change away from Hive Mind and Gestalt as well because one of their ethics was Militarist, so some sort of ethics divergence happened and an hour or two later they were hailing me as an Egalitarian Pacifist >_>

@the.orii
I don't think so. I think those civics are locked to non-hive mind empires. The hive mind ethic selector is a bit broken though, as it allows you to also select one other ethic.

can hive minds be life seeded or survivors?

@Wiirlak
Trait slots as in trait picks? That will not be compatible.
Anything that adds actual traits, civics, and ethics will be compatible, PROVIDED that it doesn't also change the number of points or picks as well.

What about compatibility ? Mods that add traits, civics and even ethics ? I have a mod that add a +4 trait slots (no points, just slots) will this be cumulative or one will overwrite the other ?

@Misr
If you mean the mod file it will be somewhere in /Steam/steamapps/workshop/content/281990 and then one of the numbered files there. The mod title in those files is just "setup".

If you mean where the base line is in Stellaris:
The civics and ethics are in /Stellaris/common/defines/defines00 and under the heading NGameplay there is ETHOS_MAX_POINTS and GOVERNMENT_CIVIC_POINTS_BASE.
The traits are under /Stellaris/common/species_archetypes/species_archetypes00. That one is a very short file.

Could I ask where in the files you edited this, I have been look and can't find it for the life of me