I'm trying to use TUP + this only without TROM changes. I guess this mod alone doesn't include weapons from TUP?

Is this compatible with overhaul mods like TROM?

@Big D OG
nope. this mod is partially implemented in a collaborative mod trom + tup

Do I need this if I only use TROM and not TUP?

@woodhawk109 thanks =)

@принц дислексии

Hello,

You do not need this Wuxing mod anymore

Because the TROM+TUP mod already has most of the changes in this mod added to it.

So you only need the TROM+TUP 5 parts and you should have everything you need.

You can disable and unsub from this mod

@woodhawk109

I apologize in advance for my English. It's not my native language. Hello from Russia. Thanks for the feedback. Let me ask a couple of questions. I think I'm not the only one who wants to use this mod - because it's really awesome. I use all 5 parts of your mod (TROM + TUP) and a few recommended ones. Unfortunately, the wooxing mod does not work. I checked several times. Weapon damage does not change when activating/deactivating the wooxing mod. And the order of loading is not important - what is higher, what is lower - does not work.

@принц дислексии
@Rex Empire

This mod should works with it since I'm the same author of both.

But, some of the changes from this mod are now included as part of this mod pack here, co-authored by me:

So maybe you guys should try that if you want

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2615718674

Rex Empire woodhawk109 the same question

Does this mod work with TUP aswell? Cause as far as i know there are bunch of new weapons aswell. The Modder of Havie's improved skill tree for MTU+TUP recommended your mod, but is it truly compatible?

Wu Kingdaissance has been updated, Could you update your mod, too. Tank you, and very well done with this mod.

anyone got problem with zhao yun using this mod? tried to equip his weapon and the game crashed

This is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!

Thanks! Is it compatible with the TUP mod?

one more thing, could you make another version which could be good used on max 300 wuxing?

your mod seems only effect original weapon's data? it would be better if this mod could effect all mod's weapon data.

But it could make wuxing become more useful so it's still worth to be used

Thanks! Great mod. I've been looking for one that does this.

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Hi!
I really liked the idea of this mod but not working for me at all!
Every duel i did with it, the outcome just pure luck.
At 1 time my level 10 vanguard with 100+ exp and inst lost to a level 1 vanguard with half of his stats and almost lost no healt!

I've made a compatibility patch for this to work with Radious, it also has some of my own tweaks to the game, namely some additions to a few buildings, but it's there mainly for compatibility between this and radious. Here's the link https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2253153116 If the mod author of this mod doesn't approve then please tell me.

Could you perchance make a version compatible with Hero Nerf mod? https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233807845&searchtext=hero+nerf

It reduces Hero's HP and halves the weapon damages. When used with this mod, the overall killing power goes up too high. 25% weapon effectiveness and 1/2 damage bonus for Wuxing can make it roughly the same. I wish I could use these two mods together.

Thanks for the awesome mod regardless.

Also I can confirm this does not work with Radious properly, and if you're using Wu on top of Radious, any of the Wu uniques will be significantly weaker than other weapons. So a patch for that is definitely needed. I may or may not get around to doing it myself, but I'm not always able to make patches work as intended so you can say my modding skills are rusty and limited.

Yeah Strategists and Commanders suffer greatly from this rebalance. Commanders more so because they are actually able to duel and as such will lose a lot. That is until you take certain unique strategists like Zhou Yu into consideration. Since he's suppose to be decent in melee, in fact he's able to beat most generic commanders in melee. Also I don't know if it's because of a mod, but he can duel as well. I haven't really played vanilla since my first few campaigns so I just don't know for certain. So I'd say a small amount of damage from cunning and Authority would be in order. Then commanders and strategists aren't completely screwed, but are still weaker than the other 3 classes in melee.

How about giving 500 ap damage or flat damage at level 200 authority. Because of the nerf to weapons. Commanders(Cao cao, liu bei) feels very weak compared to other characters.

Great, updated!

When can it be updated

OK, so after testing it is the reverse load order that is right.

Hmmm, I followed your load order but the Wu King weapons still don't have the proper stats.

I assume this needs an update for the new Nanman weapons

I definitely agreed that weapons were made to be too overwhelming in this game. It's a strange decision indeed considering the fact that the vast majority of these mythical weapons didn't even exist unlike most generals in the game with their actions and feats recorded by historical sources. This mod did it almost perfectly for me. Thank you.

"This is such a strange backward way to do this. What the game is essentially saying is that legendary heroes like Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Sun Jian, Zhao Yun and Lu Bu, etc are only that powerful because they have their magical unique weapons equipped and not due to their innate martial arts and combat prowess. Give a random peasant Sky Piercer and he can become close to Lu Bu was at his peak." Exactly my thoughts, thanks for this mod.

thank you, ！！！very useful

做的太棒了！感谢，希望能一直更新

@Scoobert

Maybe? Wuxing mods generally plays ok with this one


@TW_Ben
The latest update nerfed the bonuses by both Wuxing and weapons by about ~15-20%, try to play with it and see if that's still the case

Hey!

Is your mod compatible with this mod: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1959236732

It changes which bonuses the attributes give so that's why I though it might be a potential problem.

Thanks!

@woodhawk109

With the added bonuses from other generals, this mod has actually made the heroes stronger in almost all cases (not Xu Chu and a few others). I think you're going to need to look at either lowering some of those bonuses given, or lowering the damages being given to classes.

I never even considered this being an issue, but it really is when you think about it. Downloading the mod right now, hope you keep it updated for the future.

I appreciate the response! Would you consider adding those changes to the description for the other mod? It doesn't currently say the skill mod changes attack animations. I'm not trying to be rude, but I think people would like to see that. Thanks for your work on your Wu mods.

@Beans

That mod has additional changes to the Wuxing to make heroes less OP even at 300 stats

The bonuses to melee defense, HP, and melee damage (%) from expertise, resolve and instinct respectively are nerfed in that mod. Your heroes need to get to around 260+ stats to get the same bonus as 200 stats in vanilla, and melee defense is capped at 60

Wuxing in that mod also give extra bonuses to only soldiers in that retinue (not the heroes themselves), so units are stronger

That mod also cranked up matched combat from heroes vs unit to like 80% and 100% when dismounted, so when dismounted, a hero is nerfed in their ability to kill units since they mostly only kill 1 unit model at a time. Sometimes, a kill animation can swipe off 5-8 soldiers but those are rare

All that combined make heroes in that mod a tide turner but not a one-man army (except for a few stand outs like Zhao Yun and Lu Bu). By late game, they are pretty OP but that's something I'm still trying to work around

How does this interact/balance with your Havie's Improved Skill Tree's mod for Wu? That mod changes the max stat to 300 and the new skills that boost stat on the left side seem like it could get pretty insane when combined with this mod.

@Vuekuto

I added supports for Wu Kingdaissance's new attributes but I guess if you don't use the mod, it'll crash. I just upload a new version with some "dummy-records" of those attributes and it seems to not crash anymore for me even when I turned off Wu, so give it a try again

@x86Guy
@antoineguerrin

It's a tough balancing act. I'll see what I can do. I'm still experimenting with the values for these things but from what I can tell, heroes are definitely stronger with this mod the lower the unit size goes. I'll probably see if I can reduce some of these bonuses across the board in the future.

Thanks for trying to add the mod effects to the Wu Kindaissance wuxing stats for concubines. Tried it myself(couldn't get it to work). Noticed you were working on it few days ago. Appreciate it.

hmm that's odd. Was playing with this mod yesterday and earlier today and the game loaded fine. It was working as intended in game. But i closed down the game and restarted it later on and now the game won't even run anymore. Like it's giving me the opening title screen when it starts but crashes right after. I had a few mods on too, but after trial and error i pinned it down to this mod.

Every other mod i had would work, game starts up fine, but when i started the game with this mod it would crash. I tested it by only activating this mod and the game crashed again.

So umm help? Please?

I play on Large unit size, would heroes be more powerful than Vanilla? Is there any chance you can maybe make a version that is balanced for Large unit sizes? I think it's probably the most common unit size and the one the game is balanced around so balancing the mod around Ultra\Extreme probably keeps a lot of ppl from using this.

有没有汉化版啊 英文有点出戏

Great idea for a mod!

If we were to take a lvl 10 general from vanilla, how would you compare it to a lvl 10 general with this mod ? Lets say two Lu bu with sky piercer, same build and items. Which version would be stronger ?

Mandarin translation：这个mod的主要作用是把伤害从武器转移到了五行上，金木提供破甲伤害，火则是基础伤害。这样使得游戏更加合理。比如不会发生金木火过低的角色，装备了神装之后一下变得伤害很高。目前该mod兼容名将复兴，非常棒的一个mod，大力推荐！

Yeah but now they're just like flat out worse then before. While the mod was intending to keep strong generals not be dependent on just their weapons to be strong. Damage wise anyway.

I just feel this is a bit beyond the mod's scope. Just my opinion though.