Strange that you have Elizabeth on here. She never married, lol.

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Got it! Yeah, your mod was surely a MUST have!
Thanks again!

The options pdx have given are also pretty extensive and are all achievement compatible. This mod had a good run for a few months.

yes, mod is now pretty obsolete with the patch 1.2. The default setting for matrilineal marriages is exactly like the one used in this mod. Except ai will still marry patrilineally for male dominated religions if they are low ranked. An extremely minor difference.

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So, have you figured out if we still need this or it's 100% obsolete? In any case we thank you for this fix!
Cheers?

Gotcha, let us know in this thread if it still needs some tweaking or if the patch will do enough of a good job to not let all female rulers extinguish their own dynasties haha.

it is required for now, but the patch on tues will make this slightly obsolete. Slightly since, the setting has certain customizations but might not end up being similar as this one.

Is the mod still required, or has PDX changed it in any of the patches?

assuming this isn't ironman/achieve compatible?

still gonna like/subscribe though, thank you for your service

Starts ok but becomes broke after a while. Later on couples are not getting married, they are on permanent 'betrothed'.

highest_held_title_tier >= tier_count
you missed 'y'. tier_county

Pretty sure the warning is simply for mods made on older game versions and doesn't say anything about the mod actually still working or not.

Thanks for updating!

Hi! It says this mod won't work with the newest version of the game 1.1.3 that was released today

Thank you!
It's much appreciated. Now, if I could just find someone who would make me a Valkyrie Mod (Norse/Asatru/Female champions/Female succession) that I could use to start the game with...

fuckin thank you, Idk why paradox always has the goddamn problem but its annoying

I wonder how the paternal and maternal marriages of daughters who are not monarchs or eldest daughters are decided.

Also, how do daughters who are not monarchs and eldest daughters get married?

Are you saying that maternal marriages are also active in male-dominated doctrines?

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This is the most important mod around! Thank you so much for making this

Thank you! Oh, also I just noticed now that your scripted_rules file has an error too. The first trigger's bracket is open and I imagine it might be breaking things, or at least making the error log complain a lot.

scope:secondary_actor = {
is_female = yes

Should be:

scope:secondary_actor = {
is_female = yes
}

Thanks for the heads up. Wasn't aware of that one. I've updated the mod to be more compatible.

You seem to have included a lot of unrelated defines in the zzz_ai file (stuff related to combat AI, budgeting, etc.). Defines are unique in that they don't need the entire content of a bracket to be overwritten. You can just have NAI = {} and include only the defines you need inside it.

Did they really fix the matrilineal marriages in female dominated faith?? I read the patch notes and I didn't see anything that hinted at this being fixed, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyways, I like equal, so I'm going to try your mod in my next game!

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Thank you for the quick reply! I use the latest MGR version and I think "More Game Rules" setting, is to prevent the AI's exploit, when the player overuses the matri choice? For example the limited option, makes the AI far less likely to agree unless they are female or follow an equal or female dominated faith. So it's kinda different than your mod, right? Sorry for the trouble, but it's a bit confusing.

I don't think "More Game Rules" actually does anything for the ai, the matrilineal option there is only for the player last I played with it. I've also checked the files, and the author doesn't seem to touch upon the ai matrilineal script.

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Hello,
A quick question if I may. Do we still need your mod when using ''More Game Rules'' mod?
I guess yes, since it contains a different setting or it's similar? I'm not sure.

Cheers!

yes, ai rulers still get a different calculator for marriage type. That is the way paradox has coded it. It is in the ai defines file. This mod only changes the script to allow the ai to actually look for matri marriages in the first place.

Allright. Thank you for looking into this so quickly.

The apparent difference in acceptance between the player proposing a patrilineal marriage and the AI doing it still bothers me somewhat though... But as you mentioned, if this is scripted then maybe there's nothing wrong.

I have tested plenty of times observing Matilda and Princess Neda of Croatia (she is the best candidate as she is still a child when the bookmark starts and has no other competition) Her father is also gay and this results in the parent couple having a low fertility. Time and time again, she will be bethrothed matrilineally when she reaches her teens for equal and female dominated faiths. The only time she is patri bethrothed is when it is male dominated and she is not in line to the throne.

Ok, I have looked into it thoroughly, that duchess is either a) loony, b) smol brain or c) scripted to marry her daughter patri since some ai rulers are meant to do that. Like Mr. Xavier of West Francia in the 867 start. This could also be due to her child and heir already having a child of her dynasty as well before the patri marriage (with no father). So this could lead into the ai thinking that the throne is technically secure.

Yes, I've looked into it, and she seems to be marrying her only daughter patri most of the time to other rulers heirs. Seems to be an edge case, as it happens for her only. I'll have to investigate the issue further.

Just tested playing as a neighboring ruler myself: The duchess refuses patrilineal marriage proposals when the player makes them, but not AI-to-AI...

Her faith is Khyrwe Bön in Tibet with Equal view on gender.

With this mod, do other rulers get an acceptance penalty when asking to marry patrilineally? Maybe the duchess is simply being inundated with marriage proposals since it is the beginning of the game, and there's not enough of a acceptance penalty to prevent patrilineal marriages?

I am aware of some cultures like Basque having access to equality succession despite not being equal dominated as a faith. I blame this on Paradox since that option is not only ahistorical but it also causes a lot of problems in scripting since it is breaking a rule that is already in place in the game. So right now, the only way to make those "special" faiths matri marry is to also include all male dominated faiths. This means matri marriage will run rampant in male dominated as well regardless of succession laws.

If she isn't in a male dominated faith, I'll look into it.

Is the duchess under an equal faith as well? Otherwise it's in the updated notes since she is technically still underneath a male dominated faith.

"Now with equality doctrines, the ai will marry off their heirs and themselves according to the succession. Matrilineal marriages for female heirs and rulers and vice versa for male heirs and rulers."

Have you tested whether this actually changes AI behavior? I've observed a dozen starts with Co'nyi in 867: A duchess with a female heir under equal confederate partition. The heir always marries patrilineally to either a title claimant or ruler, often much weaker counts. When I play as
the duchess myself and use "Find Spouse" there's a long list of title holders and claimants that are willing to marry matrilineally.

Am I missing something here? I have not tried playing a full game with this mod myself yet.

Good work. Knew someone would fix this problem quickly, thanks for the mod.

Thank you so much. True equality. This is all we've been asking. :)

I agree @Cryyc, but it becomes a little muddled when you look at a ruler's heirs in the equal doctrine. If all AI rulers are trying to marry all their children with their gender as dominant, no one will marry anyone

All I just want is for a female ruler to marry matrilineal no matter the realm law or faith.

Yeah, I think the optimal (for me at least) would be that, in male preference, only female rulers would marry matri. The eldest daughter of a queen would still marry patri

Too many matri marriages for people so far down in line of succession in male dominated faiths might be a bit too immersion breaking

Ok. I'll add that in an update or as a separate mod. Since I have to test how far the ai is willing to want their daughters to matri marry in a male dominated faith.

Does this make it so that a queen will matri marry in a male-dominated faith? I'm thinking like AI 1066 Matilda - in my mind she should marry matri despite her male-dominated religion. Does this mod do that? If not, could it?

yes, it should, though i haven't tested it out for that one yet, I've mainly tested it for the equal gender succession law as well as being equally doctrined in the religion. If it doesn't, feel free to inform me and I will make the necessary adjustments.

Does it work for titles with equal gender succession law ?

Thank you so much, You have done us all a great service with this much needed fix