Anyone tested this mod with "Improved Smoke Defense WOTC" to see if both work together?

Thank you a lot!
Just hit the issue with smoke warhead on the old mod. Went to report the issue on the old mod page, found yours, went amazed, thanked Rusty.
My usual day on Xcom2 workshop.

Possibly works fine

That's fair. Thanks for considering it. On a related note I was just looking at Zelfana's Assorted Fixes Config , specifically the "smoke only works while you're staying in it" part. What do you think the chances are that it would mesh with what you've done here and give the result I am looking for?

It would be, but it would involve heavy adjusting of the Visual/sight system. I'll add it to my list of "stuff to investigate", but it's going to have a low priority, and might not be possible within the scope of this mod.

Would it be at all possible to make it so the concealment only lasts so long as the unit remains inside the smoke cloud? Preferably using a config toggle....

Glad I figured out this exists. Thanks for letting me know about it!

LWotC possibly messes with the base game smoke grenade, so yeah. I stopped trying to make stuff compatible with LWotC, it just overhauls too much -like everything- and makes it a nightmare minefield if used with any other mods.

~ sorry

for me its concealing then instantly revealing all units in the smoke, not just the thrower. im on lwotc if it matters

Sweet! Thanks again Rusty

I believe it does

Does this work with Mr Cloistas blinding smoke? https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2832954483

I love the feature honestly and appreciate you adding it regardless of how it has a bit of jank my ninja's and batman really enjoy this lol.

Thankyou for coming back with confirmation

Must have been a coincidence, just had another crash on startup without this mod.

Yeah, that's what I thought...

It shouldn't have done, all the latest update does is turn a config boolean from true to false ... which in turn stops this mod from adding concealment to the world effect.

I can't imagine how, but is it possible that the latest update broke something? Today when I tried to resume my campaign, the game crashed my PC even before I started playing. It wasn't until I disabled this mod that everything went back to normal...

I'll try it out with the new feature and see how often it happens. The only time so far was when an enemy pod ran into a third faction pod and one of them threw a smoke grenade.
It all happened out of my sight so I didn't know what was going on as they kept concealing and revealing for quite a while. :)

Yeah.. I agree though... it is spammy and can maybe be confusing without knowing exactly how it works (it also looks like an error/bug going through conceal/break/conceal/break/loop)

Updated the mod to change this new feature OFF by default.

Thanks for explaining!

How it works is each tile inside a smoke cloud will conceal you ... but if the unit is in LoS to an non-friendly unit, that concealment will be broken ... and then get re-applied (and broken) for the next tile ... and so on... until either the units has passed the cloud, or come to a point of rest.

The final state of concealment or not will be dependant on LoS calculations at the final tile and if the concealment was not broken before getting there. Maybe making the new code 'on' by default was a bad choice. Sorry, I'm only human.

--- I'll be honest, it's why the original version only done concealment on the initial blast. As the conceal/reveal cycle was too much. Unfortunately there isn't a way of doing it 'silently in the background' like most other world-tile effects

So when you move inside the smoke cloud you get revealed? Is that how it is supposed to work?

this is how it must be.. either each tile has the effects, or they do not. At worse the concealment on each tile just highlights how many times for every tile of movement the game checks stuff.

but at least you can turn this off in the configs.

I've had the same 'problem'. It would be nice if there was a solution.

By using the .ini configs options would that allow to limit cincealment checks? I seem to have issue where it a character is "revealed" then "concealed" again each tile and it triggers for each nearby enemy so you end up with like a 40 second movement phase through smoke lol

wow THANKS didn't expect a response that fast considering how long it had been. I really appreciate it. Have a buncha points

... and done ...
Admittedly I only tested it with a Skirmish map and a normal Smoke 'nade ... but seems to be working :)

would it be possible to add a toggle to allow ppl to be Concealed when walking into smoke this is perfect for batman to throw a grenade then run in and beat up the enemy then be concealed for a turn or so.

@RustyDios It just gives a better defense for units in smoke.

I've never heard of that mod, but should be fine. Depends how that mod does it's thing and if it removes effects.....

Mine is all additive to whatever was there before.

@RustyDios Compatible with Improved Smoke Defense? I did not see anything in the config file that would indicate that it is not compatible.

I was disappointed that the mod didn't work, but I figured it might be the heavily modded game I'm playing. But the old mod works fine. I'll give it another go tonight. :)

Cool. Glad to hear that :)

its working back to normal!

So, yeah.. I might have messed up the 'only friendlies' update .... should be fixed now!

Thanks for the reports everyone :)

hey my man, its suddenly not working anymore, did something change?

Hmm.. well.. I did add the condition to check if a unit is friendly or not for the effect to apply. Default is to still effect everyone. It's entirely possibly I messed this up when I did this... lol ??

I'm rather busy with some other work right now.. but I'll put aside some time later in the evening to check on this mod :)

update again: got every other stealth mod to work. suppressor mod especially took time to get working but by god its working again. suppressors are showing up in my games. but this mods still just, i have no idea. there is ZERO reason it shouldnt be and damn its making me sad because despite having it only for a week it became unironically one of my favorite mods. if you come up with any possible solutions let me know, i really wanna use this mod again.

@Hazarddex
if you are only using LWotC for the multiple missions part (and not the balance, havens, item messing, classes etc) .. then may I direct your interest over to the Strategy Overall / Covert Infiltration mod ? Google should get you results ;)

Much more 'mod friendly' environment. ... both overhauls have their merits tbh, but CI is my personal choice as it integrates so easily with many other current workshop mods, either directly out the gate, or with little extra fuss (a small bridge mod)

@The Wasteman
Yeah, this mod puts the base game X2Effect_RangerConceal onto the items in the config, this is the same effect used in the ranger classes 'stealth/reconceal' perk (Single Unit Concealment) ...
so any mod that has messed with that effect would potentially mess with this one too. Hope that helps you further :)

@RustyDios you know now that you mention it..... the mods that arent working are all stealth related. I didnt install anything at all that affected stealth after i got this mod, and was using it just fine. thanks for saying that, might help me pin this down

eh that's fair only reason i really use LWoTC was for the Infiltration system that let you send out multiple squads for multipe missions sadly there hasn't really been a mod that does that.

This mod is a very simple script. If it has stopped working then my guess would be you added a mod recently that messes with the items or the stealth effect ... if you didn't add any mods recently then something updated that affected this.

Sorry I can't be of any further assistance.

mod randomly stopped working, so did a few other mods. kidna sucks, not sure what's causing the sudden issues but felt i should bring it up in case you've seen this kind of thing before. I've done everything from clearing the cache to flat out reinstalling the game and every mod. it fixed other mods but this one specifically.

Most likely not, LWotC has a huge host of stuff that changes how even the simplest of items work. This mod simply finds the items listed in the config and adds the single unit conceal to their list of effects.

LWotC may have changed what those items are called, how the item grants it effects, the single unit conceal effect itself ... just so many things the overhaul could have changed to make a simple 2+2 = 4 mod .. into a nightmare 2 +2 ~= 1337 mod.

Frankly, in short ... I'm fed up dealing with converting stuff to use LWotC 'systems', and wish the overhaul itself would be more open and mod friendly without requiring a huge hoop of loops to jump through to get even the simplest things done (from a modders perspective). Thus therefore I'm not going to support or even look into why this isn't working in LWotC. Sorry, I just don't care enough about the LWotC mod anymore.

Works fine in WotC and Covert Infiltration without any extra hassles.

doesn't seem to work with LWOTC

@Ojra
Sorry, limiting the effect like that (to only apply if a specific perk is on the target unit) would be better handled by a different mod imo. I think it is 'possible' but not something I feel fits inside the scope of this mod. I'm sorry this is not something I want to pursue for this mod.

@Abracadabralicious
Glad I could help you here, this was a simple toggle to introduce :)

I just realised after reading the latest update but you implemented the friendly only concealment, super big thanks!

Could you add an option so that only units with a "Phantom" got a concealment?

Looks like being a simple game changer mod. It's tempting me into another campaign...