Democracy 4

Democracy 4

Worker Cooperatives (OUTDATED)
23 Comments
Fem Phanic 21 Jan, 2022 @ 4:29pm 
So, @jears454 , are you going change the name to this mod to have that it's outdated?
Starcomet1 20 Jan, 2022 @ 3:01pm 
Awesome!
jaers454  [author] 20 Jan, 2022 @ 11:27am 
Hi everyone. I made a new big cooperative mod called Cooperative Commonwealth. It has a bunch of different worker cooperative policies targeting specific industries.
Starcomet1 17 Jan, 2022 @ 1:51pm 
While some Capitalists are okay with worker cooperatives, most are opposed to them as they go against the Capitalist principal of private property and inherent exploitation of the worker. This is why it is hard for cooperatives to get capital from banks and other investors to start up. If they were ever to become popular enough to serve as a competition to traditional businesses, Capitalist would do everything to destroy them.
Fem Phanic 11 Jan, 2022 @ 7:45pm 
I agree with Stalin, like the only Co-ops in my area are only kindergartens, so it's make sense to split them up. As well, it could work as an alternative to nationalizing industry Because I know a there are socialist who aren't cool with state industry

I also was looking around, and for the most part, capitalist don't care about co-ops. So, it would make sense, because this one is corrupted, you'd need to make another mod , to have it so the capitalist don't care until it's a very high amount.
jaers454  [author] 11 Jan, 2022 @ 4:04pm 
@BigDaddyStalin I might try and do that soon. The files I used for this mod were corrupted so I am unable to update it. I want to make a broader "socialism/social democracy" mod but that will take some time to figure out.
BigDaddyStalin 6 Jan, 2022 @ 9:09pm 
I'd separate this into multiple policies. In Australia, the majority of farmland is made up of farmers cooperatives or farmers unions and all the agricultural distribution is cooperative as well, that being said, while Australian agriculture is incredibly efficient, it has no effect on union membership or socialism capitalist percentage etc. It's just the workers, are also the owners which is effectively just a franchise.

Production cooperatives are a different story though. In Australia there are cooperatives like Industrial Hemp, ship builders' and doctors cooperatives where you'd be hard pressed to find a non-trade unionist. Once again though, capitalistic Australians don't really mind it.
aaronhuckvale 2 Jan, 2022 @ 11:38am 
I hoped this was for irony, but you all genuinely believe this is a good idea for the real world. Wtf lol
jaers454  [author] 28 Dec, 2021 @ 6:56pm 
@Attache, no as there are external shareholders in stakeholder capitalism. Only the workers own the business as it is a one worker, one share type of system. Think of cooperatives as a business in which only the workers have a stake in the company/corporation. You cannot buy or sell shares in the company and, once you leave the company, you no longer have a stake in it.
jaers454  [author] 28 Dec, 2021 @ 6:50pm 
@Conorc16 the reason I have the mod heavily decrease corporate exodus is because I drew inspiration from Jeremy Corbyn's proposal for a cooperative economy. He proposed that any company that shuts down, leaves the country, goes public, or sells itself it must give the workers the right of first refusal. This would essentially end corporate exodus as the company would be transitioned to the hands of the workers.
Attache 28 Dec, 2021 @ 1:54pm 
Isn't it what Claus Schwab writes about: stakeholder capitalism?
conor 28 Dec, 2021 @ 12:30pm 
in the new change it made corporate exodus go down could you fix this
jaers454  [author] 24 Dec, 2021 @ 7:08am 
Kitt, If you are interested in worker cooperatives I would recommend "Democracy at Work: A Cure for Capitalism" by Dr. Richard Wolff. It is a pretty quick read but it is super informative on the concept of co-ops and how they may be organized. Dr. Wolff also has a podcast called Democracy at Work that I would highly recommend. He is a Marxist economist who believes that a way to move past capitalism is to have a society centered around cooperatives, whether they are worker co-ops, union co-ops, housing co-ops, credit unions, etc...
It may also be interesting to look into Eugene V. Debs' idea of a cooperative commonwealth.
jaers454  [author] 24 Dec, 2021 @ 6:48am 
Hey there Kitt. Thank you for taking time to respond, I greatly appreciate the feedback!
The reason I had it improve education is due to cooperatives often investing in the local community. I also thought of the Mondragon Corporation; they started their own university to teach others about cooperative development and created their own banking system to fund everything internally. However, I removed the impact on education last night.

I will go through and adjust some impacts. It will take me a little to figure out exactly what values to put where but I greatly appreciate the recommendations.

My next project is to make a step income tax, separate brackets for poor, middle, and high income.
jaers454  [author] 24 Dec, 2021 @ 6:19am 
Hi Kitt! I will try and make those adjustments.
-I would recommend looking into Virgine Perotin. She is a French economist who did an analysis on cooperatives. She found that co-ops weather recessions and depressions better than a standard model, have higher worker retention and happiness, higher wages since all surplus distribution is determined by the workers (could be paid out to the worker-owners as a bonus or can be voted to upgrade infrastructure), and higher worker health. There is a really good podcast on how cooperatives are better for the environment. Look at the podcast Democracy at Work, the episode Ecology Co-Ops & Profit.
-Jeremy Corbyn proposed that any business that shuts down, outsources, sells itself, or goes public to issue shares it must give the workers the right of first refusal. Meaning it must offer to sell itself, or the factory/building/property, to the workers. If the workers are unable to purchase it the government will provide a very low interest loan.
Fem Phanic 23 Dec, 2021 @ 10:03pm 
(sorry I had to break it up into 4 parts, but there is a charater limit, just read it from oldest to newest for it to be in order)
Fem Phanic 23 Dec, 2021 @ 10:02pm 
-With productivity I'd tone it down a bit to be on par with nationalized industry (so about 5%) though because it's takes up every market maybe at most 15%
-And I get why it would make the self employed happy because they are creating a business, though because it's a co-op it'd only make them, in this games eye's, a union member.
-As well, for last, I would see it changing the number of population, eg, upping the number of socialist and unionist.

I know that this might be a lot, but over-all it makes me really happy seeing all the new policies that are added to the game, and I heavily recommend continuing with this mod or even more. As well, for a final note, I am just as human as you are, so I will probably be wrong with these numbers so please take everything with a grain of salt and try to be open minded to as many people as you can to find the best numbers that you can.
Fem Phanic 23 Dec, 2021 @ 10:02pm 
-For the GDP, I'm iffy about. I mean, yes, there wouldn't be multi-trillion dollar corporations holding large amount of the GDP hostage in banks. Though, with people also having higher wages they would spend more increasing the GDP. So I guess about 5% would make more sense.
-I didn't understand how it helped education at all, so if you may, I'd like that explained.
-Poor would defiantly be happy about this, so 30 happiness is good, not too sure about the middle class's impression of it, so maybe tone it down a tad or make is a valuable with the socialist population.
-With the environment that defiantly needs a valuable influence thingy would need to be environmentalist population. Because, well, it's ran by the workers so if all the workers didn't give a shit about the environment they wouldn't help it, and vice versa.
-For equality, I believe 30 is good. It's even with the max of the Cap CEO Pay Multiplier policy.
-For the work week, -15% is also good.
Fem Phanic 23 Dec, 2021 @ 10:02pm 
Also, a few things of note that I wasn't sure about where
-In feelinWhichy's mod, Democracy 4+, she has the policy Job Guarantee which at most would decrease the unemployment rate by 43% while to do the same in your mod would be a 15th the price plus on max it's a negative 80%. So I feel like toning down the max would balance it out more/adding the influenced values. And to be fair, I have no way of fact checking Whichy's mod and also I'm honestly bias towards her mod so do take this with a grain of salt.
-The massive jump in wages is way too high. Again, using Wichy's police as a base I could see the max wage going up to about 25%
-For the unions and socialist I'd put them about 25% at max happiness with this policy. For the Capitalist, that works out well.
-For health, I'd compare it with the Work Safety Law where at max it adds ~3% to health. So, I'd make it about 7-10%
Fem Phanic 23 Dec, 2021 @ 10:01pm 
Looking into Marcora Law it might be a good choice to make it so higher unemployment benefits cut down on the price of the policy. (Assuming I understood it correctly where "unemployed workers to 'cash out' their entire allotted amount of unemployment payment) As well adding an influenced of socialist population to the unemployment value. My thinking is that not a lot of capitalist would want to from a co-op but socialist would.
And I couldn't find anything that was easy for me to understand about Jeremy Corbyn's proposal, so I sadly have to skip it.
jaers454  [author] 23 Dec, 2021 @ 7:30pm 
@Kitts Hi there, I am glad you enjoyed it! This is the first time I was able to make a mod so I am still trying to figure things out. I still need to figure out how to add a picture to the policy itself.
What would you recommend I change?
I definitely need to adjust some of the effects and costs.
There are only a few things I do not think I will change, or if I do it won't be changed too much.
This is unemployment, corporate exodus, and the effects on socialists, trade unionists, and capitalists. I drew inspiration for this mod from the Marcora law in Italy and Jeremy Corbyn's cooperative proposal.
Fem Phanic 23 Dec, 2021 @ 12:24pm 
I enjoyed this, and I'll probably add it to my mod playlist. Though, I would state that it's very unbalance. I would be please if you either calm down some of the number/increase the price of this policy. Though, I am open minded to anything that may prove me wrong.
jaers454  [author] 22 Dec, 2021 @ 4:47pm 
This is my first mod so please let me know what you all think. I still need to make adjustments as some of the effects are a bit overpowered but I hope y'all like this.