Best way to improve socialist economics as proven by History is to reduce socialism

I think this mod makes Trad Unions ignore the new laws from the Great Rework

@震旦忠臣小灵通

Thank you!!

I did the Chinese localization for this mod，
There is not much text.I think it would be faster to send（lol）

l_simp_chinese:
pm_activity_urban_clergy:0 "文化中心"
pm_trade_center_worker_cooperative:1 "$工人合作社$"
law_collectivized_economy:0 "集体化经济"
law_collectivized_economy_desc:0 "一种自我管理的经济，在这种经济中，工人集体拥有并控制他们所从事的行业。工业界通过公社理事会或工会进行协调，以管理全国范围内的事务。"
law_one_party_state:0 "一党制"
law_one_party_state_desc:0 "权力由一个政党掌握，其成员资格是获得政治职位的法定或事实要求。"
bg_technology:0 "大学"
### Anarchist "Parties"

### Communist Parties

### Socialist Parties

@dalfokane i've never heard of that mod. Use at your own risk.

@glasnost no

Is this compatible with Community Project Mod?

Does this mod enforce a council republic if the revolution is led by the trade union IG? I swear there was a mod that did.

Is this or Theresia's Communist Overhaul better?

@震旦忠臣小灵通

They allow Power Plants and Universities to be funded from the investment pool under certain econ laws.

你好，这两个建筑是用于什么的？我在本地化文件中发现了它们
bg_power:0 "Power Plants"
bg_technology:0 "Universities"
但是在mod中它们似乎并不存在？
Hi, what are these two buildings used for? I found them in the localization files
But they don't seem to exist in the mod?

Thank you for the good mod sir, I hope you're staying safe and enjoying life.

@trolling yes

Hello, I was wondering if I may include your mod in an upcoming project I'm working on. Your mod will be credited c:

@Zippy reinstall mod

Government legitimacy is horrible with one party state not sure whats doing it but your update notes don't seem to have effected my save

@William the Conqueror

That's sort of what better socialism did but with literally all worker pops, so it's certainly possible. The issue there is that farmers already get an investment pool under collectivized economy, which as a council republic you are highly incentivized to take. I guess I could separate farmers out but it seems kinda arbitrary to me. I know it's sad to not have fully realized narodism in the game but at least we can console ourselves that the aristocrats have been successfully composted once the council republic is instated

I have an idea, I don’t know if it can be realized, that is to keep the original agrarian investment pool, but when the socialist government (committee republic) is enabled, add a new institution that allows farmers to invest, level 1 20%, 95% or 100% of level 5...

The mod has now been updated for the new legitimacy changes. Reinstall the mod if the changes don't show up.

RE: The Agrarianism debate, realistically yeah there should be a distinction between a system of landed aristocracy and agrarian socialism, but Agrarianism is so mechanically bad and so rarely taken that it feels like a lot of effort for almost no gain to split them up. Plus the AI is picky about using custom laws so I try to minimize the amount of them. Even with the changes I made, Agrarianism is objectively weaker than basically anything other than traditionalism.

Having it with every government type, not just one party state.

@William the Conquerer I'm pretty sure with the talk of "community focused rural economy" Agraganarism is meant to be distributionism not "Bannana Planatation Extraction Economy" it's just no one would know what Distributionism IS in the modern era, but it was a popular platform with both the ruralists and often the church in the period. Which means, yeah 100% farmers should invest.

Having major problems with legitimacy with one party state in the new update, can't get it much above 20%

The issue with not having farmers invest is that farmers and clergymen get a big chunk of the dividends, and so under the vanilla system agrarianism is almost useless because aristocrats only get about a third of the profits

I think there is a problem, that is, agrarianism should only be invested by nobles, and no one else should invest. You can’t expect farmers to invest in the country under other systems, right? The best way is to create a new "agricultural socialism" system, or a system that emphasizes agriculture, and only under that economic system can the bottom farmers invest

That is very fantastic mod

@DanitheGamer I hadn't thought of those balance issues, but you make a good point. hmm, I may have to remove that in the next patch then. There are other mods out there which can make your liberals more nationalist I suppose.

Sick mod, good work. Thanks for combining then adding upon other mods. Wanted something that did it all.

The thing is, the kind of civic nationalism which most intellectuals in this era outside of Germany (who were pretty much ethnonats) advocated is really not captured by national supremacy. Once PDX makes a graduated system of discriminaton it might be possible to model it, but right now the system is too binary to capture such nuances.

More importantly, having intellectuals Strongly Endorse National Supremacy makes them incredibly docile within the very states where they're supposed to be a major problem like Russia and Austria, by giving them a four-point swing towards approval compared to vanilla. It also makes forming Austria-Hungary nearly impossible, and makes for weird things like accepted minorities not joining the Petite Bourgeoisie because they advocate National Supremacy which would disenfranchise them, and instead joining the intelligentsia... who also advocate National Supremacy.

Oh. I don't think that works, for balance or just in general. I sort of get what you mean but them not opposing colonialism seems like enough for now to represent it. It's also an issue because I'm playing the Raj, where if you don't have multiculturalism then the nation only accepts english people.

@Adil3tr I sure did, we just had a comment chain about it

did you flip intellectuals' positions about civil rights? In my game it's saying they want national supremacy and oppose multiculturalism

@whitemage_of_doom yeah I think you're right about the culture thing. pdx's handling of different cultural stances is... weird, and kinda hard to fix tbh. I'll let them sort this one out.

As to your other comment I kinda didn't want to mess with autocracy for game balance reasons, the landlords usually get btfod by just playing the game naturally, so they need something to give them a little boost. Plus, to justify it a little historically, while compared to feudalism an absolutist autocracy definitely weakens the power of the landlords, it's better for them relative to all of the other laws in the game (especially voting rights), so I think we can give pdx a pass on this one.

Oh additionally, one party state isn't needed, autocracy should be boosting bureacrat power rather than aristocrat. That was the whole point of absolute monarchies, depowering the local landlords...at the cost of empowering the bureacrats who were needed to centralize the state.

@mongo The french were also big on "everyone can become french", they were cosmopolitan.

There isn't really a proper law for "what we mean by accepted non-primary?" do we assimilate you?(french) Do we dislike you but let you do your thing? (america) do we tax you but leave you in peace(ottomans)?

@Sorus if you have other mods installed they might be overwriting the econ laws. Putting this one later in the load order should resolve it. If that doesn't work there could be some other problem at work, maybe try unsubscribing and resubscribing?

@ABoldOne I'm not extremely well read on the victorian era but to my knowledge the liberal intelligentsia of the time was big into nationalism and national liberation. For example, one of the historical achievements of the radical-liberal French revolution is said to be making a "nation of Frenchmen" instead of a kingdom of many patchwork peoples. They were also keen on forging common national identities and promoting shared national languages. In contrast, the socialist trade-unionists tried to forge international organizations (like the IWMA and its successors) that brought together many disparate nationalities for the purposes of class warfare, hence I have them being the multiculturalists instead of the liberal intelligentsia

@ABoldOne perhaps Intellectuals in socialist countries will support collectivism more than multiculturalism because of the state?

Whether it is their own idea or not.

how do i get collectivized economy because its not showing up as an option for me

Intelligentsia is mostly Academics and Clerks (?) in this game. They were the most liberal people in this time period.

Why should the Intelligentsia oppose Mulitculturalism and support national supremacy. In my head this makes no sense.

@☭ Atomic ☭ Good suggestion, will do.

@Sleep Deprived, that's a good idea actually. I think + expected SoL and + radicals from SoL decreases are sensible drawbacks of having the collectivized economy, the people are more willing to take matters into their own hands politically if things aren't going well economically

adil3tr, that's what the one-party state is for

Can you make it so that with command economy or council republic + oligarchy, beauraucrats are made much stronger politically instead of just capitalists and aristocrats?

Is China a Socialist?

@Mongo I think this mod is very interesting. Would it be better to add a Chinese profile?

Please make all communist/anarchist/vanguardist leaders also support women's suffrage like they did historically.

I think a good balance to having greater economic flexibility is more radicalism from not meeting pop needs and higher expected standard of living. I think in socialized countries that is the biggest gotcha, government doesn't take care of the people with the flexibility it gets and thus revolutions occur.

@shaQ Immer breit

You don't need Socialism to be shit at the game.

@shaQ Immer breit

Im sure you can manage it if you completely fuck everything up