Gotcha. Anyway I disabled most of my other mods, but I still sometimes get the same issue with children not gaining the Compassionate trait. My daughter was given Callous, I told her to change her ways, I received a message saying she gained Compassionate, but nothing changed. I'm fairly certain none of my other mods could affect this but there's always the possibility.

@Rakdos72 this is sometimes intended (a child can get no trait from their initial event)

Appreciate the work! Small update: Even without mods, sometimes I will get a ward event where I can choose "they do not change their ways" despite the event itself not giving them any personality trait. Next time it happens I will screenshot.

@De Mon I think the issue might(?) be with the Infinite Wards mod, it's the only explanation I can think of. I wonder if issues arise when giving personality traits to wards beyond the second. I'm playing a run now without that mod and I'll see what happens

updated for 1.14

@Rakdos72 sorry for a late (and maybe disappointing reply, but I was not able to determine the source of the problem). Are you sure that the message did not say something about "partially changing their outlook". In any case, I can try to do a deeper search, if you give me specific details of the event (i.e. what it is about)

@Rakdos72, thanks, I will get back to you as soon as I can

It happened with the callous event on a rowdy boy. I clicked the option that tried to make him compassionate, the pop up event said he changed his ways, but he was still callous. I don't have any other mods which would change personality events, but I can try again with no mods at all.

@Rakdos72 I will happily look into it! If ypu can, give me a specific trait when it happens please

Sometimes when I try to get a ward to change their personality, it won't change even though the pop up message says I rolled successfully

Ah, many thanks!

@Necromancer4Life yup, everything is there! I also plan to update REvents soon for the 1.13

I've been using this mod for a long time and only recently discovered REvents, are all of Tutelage Overturned's features in that mod?

@liam170506 I believe it should work in principle, but it does not have the new agot traits incorporated

I know you probably get the question often, but does it work with AGOT? I dont know if the AGOT touches education at all.

@mozes do you run any other mods which impact child education?

for some reason i have a lot of people in the world end up with 7 or even more traits. In every game i start ... just quit my last one because my heir had 12!!! traits

@Etshy yeah, I have a safety net system which brings up the number of traits up to three around 15 years of age if it was below that

@Dean Dingus, thanks for stepping in and explaining! You are mostly right, but the extra traits are actually based on the child's main personality (like bossy or pensive)

Yeah, that was my set up for a long time. This mod is a good way to mix things up.

Oh nice.
I'll try the mod again then.
I tried Improved Personality Formation System + New Personality Events for Children an it works great even though it's the vanilla system.

@Etshy I'm not the mod author but I can answer from what experienced so far! If your ward gets to around 15 without 3 traits there will be an event that adds traits to the ward that seem to be determined by what choices you made for them in their education. I've had a ward only have 1 trait and they got 2 from the event. So don't be scared to choose an option that just removes a trait and doesn't add another!

I have another questions.
As there are event that make you lose trait without granting another one, is it possible to end childhood with no traits ? or less than three ?
On the other hand, is it possible to end with more than 3 traits ?
I only took kinda safe choices for now.

This mod is brilliant! Thank you for the great work!

guess I'm just unlucky, like in vanilla or other mods that change child event because I always got the same crappy trait event xD

@Etshy, traits are indeed not related to education focus, just like in vanilla. The events you get are random. I would like to look at such events in the new version of the mod though, thanks for the idea

I'm not really sure but I feel like the traits proposed are not realted at all to the education focus.
On about 10 child I educated focused on martial I never had Brave or Wriathful, but often had Shy, Generous or gregarious.
It seems a bit off.

@Polka , thanks! Tutelage is mostly on maintenance mode, but I will hopefully do more for the main mod

glad to see the mod still worked on :D

@PhantomImmortal , cheers, I will fix that

Hey, great mod! Wanted to give a heads up, there's a typo in "Entrenched Suspicion", it says "There recently has been a new hire among the *gardedners*..."

Yes thats the one.
I'll have a look into my composition tomorrow, maybe I can find something.
Thank you for your support anyways! Greatly appreciated :)

@-=Illumifant=- I've tried the better ai education (this one https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2753934263 ) with tutelage, and it worked fine for me, so I'm not really sure what's the problem

Thank you very much!
From the top of my head, maybe it is the "Quality of Life Game Rules" mod, as it has a rule for keeping the childhood trait, but I havent checked that one yet

@-=Illumifant=- I'll check it on my end, will let you know if anything comes out of it

No character has any personality traits, haha :D
I have some other mods installed, but they are even further "away" from what this mod touches

@-=Illumifant=- , huh, that's weird. How does this incompatibility manifest?

So I played a bit and tested it on a dummy save now, but it seems they are sadly not compatible, even though I cant find why, as both mods (as far as I can see) dont touch the same .txts.

Nice, thank you for the fast reply! :)

@-=Illumifant=- , it should be as far as I know

Is this mod compatible with the "Better AI Education" mod?

Updated the mod for 1.12.1

Thanks!

@HeirandtheSpare I'll look into making it a gamerule, maybe! Thanks for the suggestion

Can you add a feature that allows for 4 wards, instead of just 2? That would be wonderful.

@heilgranit, thanks for bringing this to my attention! If you could let me know which mod did it via some kind of command, I will be happy to check it out myself. However, it seems that the only proper way is to go and manually change the language files, as outlined here for example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/14v1a6d/mod_language/

I will try to include some kind of a patch for this in the next mod update

in german version there is no text but only the .txt error. I have seen it in other mods that dont support german but you can turn if off by writing a command that displays the english text no matter what language version you use. i forgot the command but there is definietly one as a other mod made it that way some time ago. could you enforce english usuage in your mod too?

A quick update - after hearing some feedback, I have enforced at least 3 resulting traits for children.

@keenonthedaywalker happy to hear that and I am looking forward to getting more stuff done - my next ambition is to redo holding the court :)

@De Mon Hey man, thanks for the response. Been playing the Tutelage Overturned mod with the AGOT mod and it works perfectly. I'll be keeping an eye on your projects