Can but that doesnt work the way it should. You can snipe a jackal sniper across the map and whatever is nearby will instantly know where you are. Halo AI doesnt really do stealth unless it's CE.

Can't you flag a weapon as silent?

No, with how Halo enemies work, they will always hear it unless you're a million miles away and you KILL the enemy with a single shot otherwise they will know where you are. Halo doesn't have proper stealth mechanics and there's no way to mod them in without VERY heavy scripting.

Is it possible to make the suppressed smg and socom actually silent? As in enemies don't react to the shots?

No, I didn't re-add dual wielding. I did have an idea on adding the H2 magnum that I have in my Halo 3 mod, but make it the only dual wieldable weapon.

Can you dual wield in this mod?

As stated on my h3 campaign, maybe I'll hide one as an Easter egg :p

i meant 60 rounds

69 round assault rifle please. Dew it! lol

That's very interesting. Yea, I know MCC has a weird input lag thing in general, it's prevalent with Halo 2 when anyone not host has a much easier time swordflying

Hey Kat! I commented on here a while back because I said there was strange input lag in this mod when playing COOP. Turns out it was not even the mods fault and stems from other plays having different refresh rate compared to the host. I know COOP can still have issues on MCC but it definitely wasn't your mods!

and with the marines health yeah you are right it would be better to just remove that thing, its a great mod keep up the good work

that would be really nice, i am saying because in like my opinion in close combat every unit should have that guaranteed melee attack so it would be fair

i'm not too familiar with adjusting AI melee as it's functionally different than players but I can look at it I suppose.

and the marines melee attack area is really small, like they almost never hit it

It can be changed, yes. I did up their health on Tayari but it's still present. Maybe I'll just remove it.

cannot that be changed ?

oh i see, they do make them very weak, all allies during that mission, for some reason

there are more, on ONI Alpha Site, for example at the bridge after the explosion if u keep marines alive then they get 1 shot, and at end of the mission the same with the police guys

I don't know about that being a thing aside from the first mission with Buck where marines are scripted to be very low health.

in the original halo 3 odst in some missions if you progressed with ur marines and kept them alive at some point they would get insta killed, is this thing as well in this mod ?

As neat as it'd be to run across survivors, I don't have the skills to account for them in scripts so it isn't just spawning them every time you enter the area, after a mission, etc

I was thinking of having small groups of survivors hidding in the city of new mombasa, civilians or wounded military etc

Let me suggest the addition of a more powerful atlernative to the sniper rifle, just like we have two types of assault rifles, battle rifles and smg in game, a gauss sniper rifle, just for the lolz, ammunition to be scarce but the damage output to be almost as insane as the spartan laser, what do you think?

Yea what Travers said. It can be removed but I think the idea from Bungie was to make it seem like they're getting killed and overrun.

@Beneral Bibobi Bainington They do. There are multiple times where they're given "low health scripts" that causes them to die in one shot. Those scripts are from Bungie and are in the vanilla game. One example is the first group of marines on Taiyuri Plaza. Once you make it to the top of the hill with the first jackal sniper and dead elites the script kicks in and they die in one hit.

i have a question regarding the marines do they have less health in halo 3 odst because they seem to die quicker than the marines in other halo games

Really loved this one, can't wait for your version of Halo Reach! <3

But I agree, the silenced smg needed something. I always dropped it in stock ODST as it.. didn't really do enough damage to warrant carrying. Appreciate it!

If I did, I don't know how to track them being alive, what happens they have, and how to respawn them with the weapons when you return from a mission.

Became a big fan of yours after playing your Halo 3 Rebalance and I'm glad you worked on this. Out of all the changes, big and small, best one by far is changing the Silenced SMG. For something that's supposed to be hyped up as this weapon of choice for special forces, it's pretty ass in vanilla. Now its buffs go a long way to actually feel like something an ODST would actually rely on. Totally agree with "feels cool" over "sandbox balance" in that regard.

As far as any additional changes, since you added some ODST bodies around, I think it'd have been neat to see some living ones too.

It would be fun to have the shotgun carry 12 in the tube like in Halo 2 if possible. Either way this is probably my favorite way to play ODST

while yea, quite the rules, there's still limitations, and putting the engine at max causes weird issues like what you see in some of RejectedShotguns mods where things go a little wonky

That's amazing! I thought the extra bodies were a fantastic idea as well, I always thought it was weird there was no elites at night. I will look forward to that update! Thank you for your replies and wicked mod!

PS. Ya GOTTA push that engine to its limits. Thems the rules

I did add some more weapons and i think some more bodies but i want to say it got to a point of overloading but not entirely sure b/c I had issues with getting the suppressed AR and BR to transfer after a mission, which turned out to be an entirely different thing than that. I could have a slightly longer zoom. I am planning on doing an update sooner or later.

It really feels like you added more, and if you do any updates, I nicely ask to add further goodies to find. Coming across the Spartan laser in the streets made for some great fun!
See that is what I thought - that tweak also made me realize that I rely heavily on burst scanning with the BR - thats why I mentioned it could be my fault!
I might have to try and get a little better at it - though I will suggest a bigger zoom for the suppressed BR in that regard?
Like I said though, this mod is FANTASTIC as it sits!

Thanks! I didn't actually add that many fun toys to Mombasa but I meant to add more and just didn't. The Suppressed AR is fun yea. The BR is still effective though. The Suppressed BR is meant to function as a DMR while scoping to help conserve ammo. The single shot it does has more damage.

What a fantastic, fun mod to play! I think this may be my personal preference on how to play ODST!!

The new weapons, adjustments and tweaks to enemies lead to a wonderful challenge balance
Brutes no longer feel like damage sponges, but you still don't feel like a Spartan. I played on heroic.
The variety of fun toys to find min Mombasa streets led me to wandering around for around 8 hours - the longest playthrough of ODST I've ever done - just to keep looking and finding what was hidden.
The suppressed AR is an AMAZING sewing machine of damage, so fun to use! I love how all the human weapons feel!
The BR was something I always wanted in ODST, but I think it's a little weak due to the buffs the AR/SMG recieved, sadly. But that's just a matter of a little tweaking - and I could just be garbage with my headshots, too!
Please make the suppressed BR burst in scope... Or maybe give more utility to the single shot? Not sure, but just my opinion.

Probably is a blam issue, a lot of the issues with the AI is straight up engine issues.

I guess they're just upset about what happened to Reach.

Jokes aside, it's probably just a Blam!-ism. Fortunately, it's not too much of an issue. Just gotta play to the AI's strong suits.

Yea I've tried to make it so he fires longer and even set the behavior to not shoot at corpses, but for some reason, they still do. I'm not sure how to fix that honestly.

@Combine117, I've noticed the same thing, haha.

Something about the Trooper AI aggression settings makes them hyper-fixate on enemy corpses when gunning, kind of like the Marine AI in Halo 4 (though I haven't played H4 since it released, maybe they fixed it). The aggression makes them more formidable on foot, but tends to be a little goofy/inconvenient when in vehicles. The Trooper AI in the Kat's ODST Firefight mod will do the same, so I try to have a Marine operate the Hog's gun while a Trooper uses a power weapon in the passenger seat. Buck does a great job with the SPNKr on Coastal Highway, though! There should be some scattered about, here and there.

I did Coastal Highway for a bit, but had some bad omen watching Buck shoot at an enemy, then proceed to keep shooting at its corpse despite the group of enemies currently surrounding us.

Silenced SMG feels super clean tho, love using it.

+rep

Lmao, what I need/want to learn how to do is make fully functioning firefight maps so I can convert other areas of say, the Halo 3 campaign, into "new" firefight maps. I have a working prototype, it's a fully custom map.

Kat, we need MORE :) keep doing this!!

Afaik, he spent a long time on that but that just shows what could be possible in the Halo engine. It can be hell depending on what you're trying to do. If you're in the Halo Mods discord, you can see stuff others have done, like Jordan's dinosaur Banished mod and the remake of the CE Covenant and whatnot.

You're welcome! If that InfernoPlus Pirate Themed Halo 3 level is anything to go by it looks like Halo 3 can be hell to mod for. Vanilla+ is exactly how I'd describe these mods! Taking out the "Cortana/Gravemind Slowdowns" in Halo 3 was such a goated move.

I know MCC has input lag, which makes playing with one of my friends almost impossible for me as I can't snipe and everything feels like 0.5 to 1 second behind but we've found if I host, it's not that bad for the friend b/c my internet is faster. I do wonder if my mod is.. making it worse? somehow? Thanks for the compliment! Been trying to just stick to vanilla+ style. I would love to do 100% custom missions but that's currently out of my skill set.

Yes although we did some more testing and it seemed that even unmodded my friend was getting the input lag. So this may actually be an MCC problem and not specifically your mod. I think we just started noticing it while playing your excellent mods.