it looks like eu4 players either want nerfed natives or even more powerful natives

Awesome, add me and then feel free to reach out when you have time. I've already started working on a submod to go with Extended Timeline

Sure, once I have some time I'd love that.

I have made several personal modifications (rather than complete publish ready mods) to make the North American tribes more realistic, if you'd be into making a version of this closer to the American Revolution to Victorian period I have the historical realism aspect covered and I'm decent with modding the game

i think the tribes should have just kept their original size

If I ever have the time to actively work on mods again it's definitely on my to-do list.

Is it possible for you to add South America too. North America is full, south america looks empty now. Love the mod!

Ah, yeah, I haven't looked into any of the Mesoamerican civs, their dynamic works a bit different than North American tribes.

Cusco->Inca

Weird, yeah, you should be able to build boats, what nation in particular were you playing? Maybe I messed something up. I haven't had much chance to test the mod myself.

Hey! I have the mod and I still cant build boats because I'm a "primitive" nation. I'm wondering if this is because another mod I have or just a thing with the mod

Hey man, thanks for the input! Yeah, I'm well aware of the discrepancies, this mod is actually merged with another mod that causes those territory changes. If I had the time I'd actually try and include more Native tribes rather than just the handful that are included in EU4, there's mods out there that do that and I'm in contact with their creators for a merge but as life is pretty busy so I cannot give you an ETA on any of it.

Appreciate the resources, in any event.

This is a great mod but I cant help but mention the discrepancies in the map and territories given to the natives. Could you please change them so they fit the actual historical territories? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Algonquian_map.svg/1024px-Algonquian_map.svg.png
Here's a source for the Algonquin peoples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabanaki_Confederacy
Here's another one for the east coast peoples. Maliseet are closely related to the Abenaki

Alright ladies and gents, I reworked a lot of the mechanics in this mod for 1.29, hopefully everything works as intended. Name also changed from "Rebalanced Tech Groups" to "Native Rebalance", in case you're confused.

Hey, can you elaborate on that? There's a couple things in this that don't quite work the way I want them to ever since Paradox implemented Feudalism and what not, but outside of that it should work just fine.

There is nothing when I try to download this.

Uh, I can look into it, surprised people still use it, but sure, should be doable. Gotta be around the weekend though, most likely.

Can you update to the latest version please?

poland can now into space since eastern tech is the same as western now

Sorry on the delay, got a lot of stuff on my plate. I'll try to update the following days, but in case I forget, keep in mind you can always manually change the version number of any mod you like, oftentimes they don't need to be "updated", and it's as simple as changing the version number.

Fairly certain if you google that, you'll quickly find out how.

Thanks for this mod, I liked it very much !

You're welcome!

Awesome, I love being able to play the non-western factions without being totally destroyed on first encounter!

Well, yeah, as long as there's demand I'll always update. I'll upload a new version shortly.

Are you planning on updating for version 1.13.x.x?

@ryou I'd suggest giving them eastern tech(0.2). Also it's mostly a problem with timereds and Manchu as they can eat up India and China.

@Dkyemistress11 What's your suggestion to balance this? I mean, be as it may, the AI isn't the smartest in this game, and even though hordes have proper tech now, they are still stuck with sub-par provinces. I could lower the rate at which they advance, or remove the Tribal Conquest CB altogether (although that would require me to find the files where that's specified). Fact is, I'm saying that all of their neighbours have essentially better provinces and advance faster as well now. Asia is much stronger, and the Eastern European countries will also be able to hold back the horde. But, please, tell me what you think would balance this and I'll see to fixing it.

@ryou, its the fact they get the tribal conquest CB, it was meant to be balanced out by them getting shitty tech later on, but without it you basically have a nation with on-par military that has permanent CB on everything. It's like getting imperialism from the beginning

@sizzlin2861
Silly me, I forgot about that! Sure thing.

Please update the direct link also, thanks!

@ojaiike
Should work just fine with everything in El Dorado, I didn't actually change anything other than the Tech Groups, so religions should be unaffected, if that's what you mean.

does this work with the el dorado religions

@Jayce
No, thank YOU for using my mod! And apologies again that it took so long.

Thank you very much Ryou.

Wow, I'm an idiot, I don't know why Steam always puts this on hidden after I update, but it's very annoying because the update has been out for 2 days and you guys didn't see it because of this mess, sorry again.

Shit, I didn't expect an update so soon. Sorry it took so long guys, it's updated and should be working now, if not, let me know!

Just to second the belwo request, any plans to update this for the new patch?

could you update this mod for the new patch?

@Dykemistress11
I'm aware that Europe had a scientific revolution, but what's to say would've happened when that revolution happened elsewhere? All nations had the same chance of evolution, we all started out as tribal people at one point. If history would've gone different, the East would've colonized the West. Suffice to say, there's not much you can do about that since EU4 starts in 1440 and rebalancing it back to such a point would require too much effort.

I was not aware they get OP, care to explain that a little? Are their militaries too big? I haven't actually played a Horde, so I wouldn't know, and I didn't really get around to play much EU4 with this mod as of late because of a lot of cool games coming out recently, but I haven't really noticed anything game-breaking in my games so far.

I made a mod just like this one but with everyone except the west getting eastern tech, hoards getting hoard tech, and natives getting slightly worse eastern tech. It makes it a bit more historical because europe did have a scientific revolution going on that brought them to the center of technology, but makes it so playing a non-european nation isn't just doom.
One thing, if you do go with this, you should still give hoards a worse tech group, they get really OP if they stay on equal tech with everyone

@Vanguard
It's not guaranteed that other countries behave differently. It just guarantees they don't fall behind in technologies. I actually highly recommend playing this with "Equal Opportunity Colonialism", as it extends colonization range for nations taking Exploration ideas. It's perfectly compatible with this mod, and you know what, I'll link it in the description now.

Europe reign supreme.

Great :)
Thanks Bro

@Constantino XI Coming right up

Direct link plz

Just to let you guys know, this mod is fully functional with 1.10

All right i see what your sayin, realy good idea im realy liken it so far.

@necrothegreat That's actually on purpose, I've mentioned that in the description. North Americans have a Native Council that allows you to achieve 100% reduction on all technologies, so if they have standard costs, they would only have to pay 3 monarch powers in order to advance to the next technology level.

In North America the irriquos tech cost 100% more instead of standard