I could be wrong, but I think some units are missing the Melee attack reduction. Like Sogdian warriors have 57 melee attack still and some Tier 1 units still have well over 40 melee attack as well.

made missile worthless. Infantry and armor should be good but not that good. Also plate armor did not exist in this period. Not balanced or realistic at all.

does this work with radious?

does this work with 1212 AD mod?

Is this sitll compatible? Mod manager claims it is not, and battles are still feeling very fast, at least to me...

Great start. I love how my battles turn out and the pacing especially. Great job man.

Well, historically, high-armor troops were, indeed, almost invulnerable. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=plate+armor+vs+sword https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mail+armor+vs+sword
these videos concern the Middle Ages, but it should give you an idea of how useful metal armor was against melee weapons.

Doubling armour values makes all sword armed melee units worthless unless you take away the vanilla armour piercing penalty on them. Armour values that are too high can also make high armour units almost invulnerable.

i love you mod thx

@Meralious Some people like to watch the units fighting.

@Meralious Then why you are even here?

radious compatible?

didnt find this mod to be all that balanced. for one, fatigue needs to be reworked with this mod cos ur men will be exhausted by the time they have 10 kills, ranged units barely get any kills before running out of ammo, so theyre useless. i think reducing units ATTACK would of solved most issues a lot more, attack is how often the unit deals damage, rather than reducing amount of damage, and you could do the same with archers, or reduce damage of archers. all in all, great concept, but it just wasnt working for me.

With the added armor huscarls are extremely powerful.

does this mod, reduce units from other mods. I have some unit mods to add more diversity to what i can field, but i wanted to know if they are effected by your mod so my game is not broken

thanks~ i hate attila combat system

Can you plsupload it in the total war center? cause the steam workshop mods always require internet to be enabled

I think you should lower charge bonus too. Charges are too powerful I think in comparison with the other tweaks

@Naughtius Maximus

I'm not 100% on this, but I think it actually might be compatible as I opened up Terminus Imperium in PFM and it doesn't touch the tables this mod touches.

compatible with "Terminus Total War Imperium" ?

Thanks so much for this mod its very helpful and much more realistic. Pair this with the Realistic Battles Pack mod and the game is 10x more realistic in terms of how battles of late antiquity actually played out. Great job my friend!

compatible with overhaul mods like Medieval Kingdoms or Seven Kingdoms?

Can you make a version without the running speed reduction? Please? ^^

should be

Thanks!

This should be updated and working

I'll start playing Attila (ever) when this mod is totally finished.

Would really like to know if this is updated and working with the current patch and dlc's or not, thanks

@le,tigidou i disagree, bows are still pretty good in my opinion in this mod you just need to put them in right place and make sure they are safe for firing. Do you know how painful is to see AI army have a 5 or 6 missile units which makes them OP and you have a not enough cav to charge at them becasue before battles enemy spies fucks up your army. the mod is called "simply slower combat" and what, you want to see archers killing a units in seconds? then go play vanilla.

Hey , its update for 1.6 version?

@John Wick Congratulations on spamming incessantly for ranged nerfs you've convinced the mod author to nerf them. Your power of persuasion is refined. Your logic on the other hand is seriously lacking. Archers have become utterly useless. The game isn't designed to use archers solely as a flanking squad. That's a job for javelinmen.

I just realized that axes are far too strong

Hi Will, i love your mod but i think that sence the malee fighting last longer making it harder to break tru the enemy lines and create openings, i feel like the ranged units are over powered cuz they can just stand back and shoot all day long, maybe just make them a bit weaker less accuracy? .... sence they last longer fighting malee maybe make fatige last longer while fighting, idk im not a modder just personal opinion. great mod anyways.

not really no

Does this mod work for radius mod?

Everyones taste is pretty differnet, thats why i prefer to adjust every weapon by a set amount, because then at least the original scale of balance is preserved

@ {HAA}The Green Pig I know. But bows are almost completly useless. Crossbows are doing ok - too weak for my personal taste. (@ Will no offense - thanks for your mod, I'll adjust it to my personal taste)

Thank you so much, the problem was in Radious total war mod, but without yours it wouldnt have been so easy as it was.

try saving it as a new file and enabling that one.

Will, thanks! But only armour changed, what may be the problem? I tried to change melee damage and projectiles damage, they didn't change. When I changed the values I made Save as and chose your mod.

Yea thats all you need to do, just change the values and save the file. Those are the correct columns.

Will, ok, thanks for replying. Be the way, I opened PFM. Could You say if I do it correct? cause english is not my native and it is a little bit harder then very easy for me. I want to 1) increase all armour to 400%. as it is with this mod 2) make all melee weapon damage 50% as it is with this mod. For doing 1), i should open db, the "+" unit_armour_types_tables - slower_unit_armour_types. And there at 2-nd column called "armour_value" enter my 400% numbers, that is all? 2), I should open db, then "+" melee_weapon_tables - slower_melee_weapons. And there at the 7-th column called "damage" just enter my 50% numbers there? or I have to change something else if i want to make all melee weapon damage 50%? Big thanks!

I dont think its a good idea to make even more mods, if you want to tweak this one its very easy with Pack file manager

Will, can you make one with even slower combat mod than this one ?

Will, it works! i-ve tested. Without it battle was 4.30 min, with it - 10-12 min ! This is fakin awesome mod cause battles were as fast as Usain Bolt! I didn't test only onagres and crossbows with it. And it seems to be not working with heavy -throwing spears *Kingdom of Danes*. Thank u very much i won't play the game without Radious and yours mod!

It is compatible with AoC, it might be with radious but i believe they add in new weapons and armours which this mod wouldnt affect so it wouldnt work too well.

Will, Is this compatible with AoC ? And with Radious?

Plus you need to place your missile units in best spot to getting more kills.

Seven flames are u kidding??? i tested the crossbows before. they were already game broking. they had so much damage to do with armour and any other units. having 2 or 3 units are crossbows in battlefield is really easy to win battle againts this stupid AI. now its much better with a bit of nerf but still they are lethal. the mod is for simply slower combat in battlefield so having OP missile units will end matches so earlier than even vanilla game. The point of this mod is to use your melee and cav units more thanks for understanding.

Crossbows deal 10 dmg and 15 AP dmg - a bit low considering that the armour values have been doubled. Like archers, they are hardly getting any kills