...so no update?

As far as I am aware, if we are correcting names to historical value then Ottomans never called themselves an empire. They were name Devlet-i Aliyye which is translated to Goverment of the Ottoman. Ottoman Government might not have looked pretty but it would've been correct.

ehhhhhhhhh

rip mod

Please change Russia to Russian Empire , or rather Russian Tsardom

let the man get through his life problems its only a name changer (albeit a good one but life always comes first)

will this mod still work even without an update?

I'll update this one day to all those interested in it. But I've got L I F E things happening. Mainly bad life things.

Last post from author was awhile ago, hope its updated for the new patch

pls update

I'll look into properly updating the mod, skaz.

I'm afraid that method won't work anymore without causing errors in game. This mod will need to be updated all the way to 1.14 in order to function properly.

@'Korrasami

Go to where your mods are stored, right-click on the .MOD file (Reads as a Movie Clip on Windows) and change '1.12' to '1.13'.

How can I play htis on the most recent version? And could the mod be updated?

@Charron
Denmark is Danmark. The people are called Dansk.

Yeah please rename, Sweden, Denmark, Norway to Sverige, Danmark, Norge, and if possible Finland to Suomi.

Converting this mod to 1.13 renames Florence to Lancaster.

@skaz88
The new patch is out? I'll get to work on an update. Not much to chnage, so won't take long.

Why does this not work with the new patch?

I don't know if it's already been suggested or if I'm wrong and I have no idea about it but could you change sweden to sverige, norway to norge and denmark to dansk (I think that's the right name)?

Could you change PLC's name to Rzeczpospolita or Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów(I'm afraid the latter is too long though)?

"In the eyes of the West, after the coronation of Charlemagne, the Byzantines were not acknowledged as the inheritors of the Roman Empire. Byzantium was rather perceived to be a corrupted continuation of ancient Greece, and was often derided as the "Empire of the Greeks" or "Kingdom of Greece"." (Western Travellers to Constantinople: The West and Byzantium, 962–1204) (Late Merovingian France: History and Hagiography, 640–720) . ("Medieval Sourcebook: Urban II: Speech at Council of Clermont, 1095, Five versions of the Speech"). Saying that western influence isn't a reason they weren't perceived as such is wrong. To conclude this, yes, they did have Greek values as you have said, but they weren't entirely Greek and shouldn't shown as a Greek Empire because they were much more than that.

Okay, perhaps that source is a bit outlandish and I should've read up on it more and I apologize for my rude reply. After reading the source again it is clear it is not that credible. Yes the Byzantine Empire did have strong Greek character as you said but it wasn't entirely Greek, and western influence does have alot to do with them being perceived as a Greek Empire. The Byzantine Empire was ridiculed and insulted by being called "The Greek Empire" and/or "The Greek Kingdom" by the west.

Linking to a page that among many outlandish theories for example claims that the Macedonian dynasty was Slavomacedonian in ethnicity (when 'Macedonian' refereed to the theme of Macedonia located in what was originally Thrace and the dynasty was most probably of Armenian descent) does not help your credibility is all I am saying. Neither does speaking in absolutes such as "The only reason it is considered greek is because of western influence[...]", specially as this denies the strong Greek character that the Byzantine empire had, especially towards the end with the revival of Hellenism etc.

The only reason it is considered greek is because of western influence "Although the Byzantine Empire had a multi-ethnic character during most of its history and preserved Romano-Hellenistic traditions, it became identified by its western and northern contemporaries with its increasingly predominant Greek element" (The Oxford History of Byzantium.) (Gabriel, Richard A. (2002). The Great Armies of Antiquity.) Sorry if I come off as a jackass by the way, I just have been interested in Byzantium and their history for awhile.

@Korosuke they used Basileia Romaion because they switched from Latin at 610 because Greek was the everyday language there just as it was in the Roman Empire. "Romans who received an elite education studied Greek as a literary language, and most men of the governing classes could speak Greek." (Rochette, "Language Policies in the Roman Republic and Empire," pp. 550–552.) Not only did the Byzantine empire speak greek, but others who governed the land of the empire including in Greece, when Hercleius became the new leader of Byzantium he made Greek the official language since everyone knew it.

Well, they did called themselves Basileia Romaion. Romans, not greek. Concepts of nations developed quite recently, so I tend to agree with ericfr89. If your source said otherwise, it's time to change author.

That being said, I also made a similar mod a year ago and later on incorporated it into Endonym Empire, and we came to the conclusion that no matter what you do, someone will be pissed. Specially people from the Balkans, lol.

Cheers. :)

@MajorMurray Awesome sauce!

@ericfr89 guess you failed to read my book as a source as well? Or is that filled with "gaps with pure speculation"? I guess the book having over 13 pages of sources is just fabrications and myths? Whatever makes you feel good I guess bro.

@MajorMurray: Thanks for the answer! :) Keep up the good work!

@MajorMurray Московия - уничижительное название пришедшие от поляков. Никогда Вликое княжество Московское так себя не именовало. И да - стать великим княжесвтом в игре нельзя - только сразк Россией.

"Along with distorting the ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians, the labeling of the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire into "Greek" is one of the greatest fabrications of the western and modern Greek writers."

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Linking to a slavic ultra-nationalist webpage that makes sport out of taking quotes out of context and filling the gaps with pure speculation.

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Not at all biased in anyway, no absolutly not! .....

You've convinced me Danish. I'm going to name it Imperium Romanum which means Roman Empire but fits better with the Latinization rather than the Greek iteration of the name(The Greek being Basilieu Romaion.)

@Beket: In the game it's noted as a Principality and can become a Grand Principality. So it can essentially become the Grand Principality of Moscovy making it close as possible already to the actual name. Also, that name wouldn't fit with the others. For example: Kingdom of England? Duchy of Prussia? That would clutter the map too much.

Moskovia -> Grand Duchy of Moscow

The name controversy was assumed to be settled when Atatürk officially renamed the city Istanbul in the 1920s. It took Westerners a few decades to accept the name, as Constantinople continued to appear on maps well into the 1960s, when it began to appear in parentheses next to Istanbul. The Greeks still do not use the Turkish name, and Konstantinopolis ( Κωνσταντινούπολις) continues to be used on maps and road signs in Greece today.

Sorry for the weird cut outs and I hoped this helped a little!

the city") once commonly found on road signs directing travelers to the capital, was punned by devout Turks into Islambol, where "Islam abounds." The names Islambol and Konstantiniye were used interchangeably in Ottoman documents up until the empire's demise in 1923. Westerners continued to refer to the city as Constantinople well into the 20th century. In the 19th century, however, the city's large foreign expatriate community took to calling the old city Stamboul. Western accounts of the old city during this period make regular references to the name

Yes, you're correct that Constantinople wasn't used for the Ottomans, but they didn't intentionally do this. Although the Ottomans did not purposely change the city's name, they opted to make "Constantinople" into a more Turkish style name "Konstantiniye" (which loosely translates as "of Constantine"), however variations on Konstantiniye soon cropped up."Stanbulin," (Greek for "to

"Along with distorting the ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians, the labeling of the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire into "Greek" is one of the greatest fabrications of the western and modern Greek writers."

Also, I've read this really awesome book that you should totally checkout called "Constantinople: Capital of Byzantium". It also explains as to why Constantinople was made and shows a really cool view of how Byzantines viewed their Empire.

but in time it was replaced by Greek as that language was already widely spoken among the Eastern Mediterranean nations as the main trade language. Yet the Emperors, the Church clergy, the army, and the artists, although they spoke Latin and Greek, where not exclusively of Greek ethnicity. The Empire was made up of many nationalities - Thracians, Macedonians, Illyrians, Bythinians, Carians, Phrygians, Armenians, Lydians, Galatians, Paphlagonians, Lycians, Syrians, Cilicians, Misians, Cappadocians, etc. The Greeks composed only a small portion of this multi-ethnic Empire and evidence shows that they did not posses much of the power either, for we know exactly who were the Byzantine Emperors, and we know they were not ethnic Greeks.

Although it is true that Greek was used as the language of the Empire, that can not be taken as proof that the empire was "Greek". Latin was the original official language, imposed by the Romans who established and ruled the Roman Empire. In 395 AD when the Roman Empire split into western and eastern (Byzantine), Latin continued to be used as the official language

@OceanFresh I suggest reading up on this link, really helpful on explaining why they really were not "The Greek Empire" as you make them out to be.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/RomanMacedonia/ByzantineEmpire.html
I will nitpick a few things.

"Thus it is inaccurate to call the Byzantine Empire a "Greek Empire" and falsely ascribe its greatness to the Greeks, when in fact it is the non-Greeks who gave the greatest contribution in its progress. The inaccurate 19th century western historiography needs another major revision, just like the one it already went through regarding the ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians. Otherwise it will continue to be unreliable and biased."

@OceanFresh and Danish Slongball: Byzantine Empire was a term used by British scholars in the 19th Century because they didn't consider the Greco-Roman successor state to be the true successor to the Roman Empire. Even the name Constantinople wasn't used when it fell for the capital, that's just what the British went with. The Eastern Roman Empire for most of its history used primarly Greek for it's language, was populated mainly by Greeks, and the dynasty that ruled it switched hands many times throughout history due to their unique philosophy on rulership. But they firmly held onto the belief they were Roman and maintained many aspects of the Roman culture and of the Empire. What I'm getting at is, it was and was not at the same time the Roman Empire. During the timeline of the game, many nations including a majority of those in western europe named them the Greek Empire because the HRE claimed to be the successors of Rome as did France.

@Peps: Endonym Empire is all about having the native language name without caring for the aesthetic of the names. This is just replacing English terms for the Native Americans and fixing Western mistranslations of names. Also switching out dynastic names with proper Empire terms.

@Bigjohn93: This might be an issue with my sources, as they are primarily Turkish.

Byzantium --> Greek Empire....

SOILED IT! That just killed the realism. It should be Byzantium --> Roman Empire

How does this mod compare to 'Endonym Empire'? It seems to me that 'Endonym Empire' does a better job.

I agree OceanFresh, in fact, anybody who called the Byzantine Empire "The empire of the Greeks" or "The Greek empire" were usually killed or thrown in jail. It wasn't allowed as they considered themselves Romans.

At first sight, I think calling the Byzantine Empire "Greek Empire" as a poor call. Byzantium being called the "Greek Empire" is a modern fad of the last couple of centuries, and founded in misunderstanding. To stick to history, call it either Eastern Roman Empire, Byzantium, Byzantine Empire, or the Latin or Greek equivalent of any of those.

Probably best just to call Byzantium "Basileia Romaion" in my opinion.

technically Al-Yemen would be al-Yaman and Qara Qoyunlyu is fine in Arabic, just preference of Turkish vs Arabic. Hejaz would be al-Hijaz or could be called al-Sharifate.

MM- It's a messy workaround but how about "Vyzántio" for the ERE?
Short and sweet.

@blunt bae: I accidentally deleted your comment when scrolling through here. Please repost it.