I never use them, by the time I got to trying them last game I was already summoning T IV and won the game. If they applied to more than T II or came much earlier and cheaper I might have tried them.

Hmmmm trueee. Why don't you want them though??? Building the Military Academy to make all my T2 pikemen tireless is insanely overpowered for defensive battles, lol.

@Sovietkotek I tried but libraries force me to take it eventually and inspiration won't shuffle it away :(

elijafire I think u can just skip the research option for T1 and T2 military buildings if u don't want them in the build list.

Can you make the Miltary buidings optional?

Seems to work with all factions.

Maybe even a compatibility patch for Chivalrous Intentions mod?

any way to make this mod work with other races such as the Archon or Tiefling races, or even the Racial Heritage Mod?

Any workaround to make this mod compatible with decodence?

Bugs:
Military academy don't show up to build and the forge of balance gives the lava forge bonus (+2 fire and scorching heat), and if you build the forge of balance you can build the poison maker, so you ended with +2 fire, +2 blight, inflict severy poisoned and scorching heat.

Some notes:
Goblin, Orc and Dwarf don't have any building that gives +1 gold per hex.

I understand that you're busy, but is it possible you could instruct one of us as to where the population-related changes are? Perhaps we could change it based on our preferences then? (Several seem to dislike the 'units cost population' part entirely)

@Kaetzer
Glad that the mod gets some support or compatibility updates, thanks.
Happy to see the mod lives on.

great mod! unfortunately it doesn't work in the Shadowrealm
so i made a patch ;)
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?edit=true&id=2485042469

If I ever have enough time to update, I will take your comments into account. The thing is, I was a student when I started this mod, and I work full time now so it's hard to have time for modding...

Hi Zaelon great work with this mod i really like it. I have got a question, now i don't know if it is me being stupid but how do you build the Stonemason?

Idk what to think about this mod, I mean, it modifies the vanilla troops so they cost population to train but the thing is that maybe 90% of AoW3 players have mods adding new troops that ae not affected by the population cost.

You should maybe consider doing a version without the pop cost for those who don't want that.

Where can I get a list of all buildings and race bonuses?

Like, I am finding difficulties in balancing some cities, like, I can get a forest to give production and gold bonuses for elvens, fertile plains to give bonus gold for humans and halflings, but what combination would give a similar bonus for orcs, or dwarvens?

I would have to agree with the comment made by Shade below.

Altho the population cost can be considered a good balancing factor, if you plan to play with ONLY VANILLA TROOPS that is, the thing is, i'm pretty sure me and several more people are already way over playing with only the vanilla units and want more variety to the game, which is why we play with several mods that adds hundreds of new units and etc...

In such a scenario, the vanilla units which costs population are not worth it at all, when you can just recruit a new modded unit that costs no population at all.

I love this mod but, i am not a fan of the population cost on units as a "balancing factor" ,especially when I have mods that alter the base units or add new units that, obviously, do not have the population cost. Which inadvertantly leads me to build "non-vanilla" units to avoid the pop cost until my town hits max size.

Would you be willing to remove the changes to the base units to improve compatibility with other mods? Or at the very least, perhaps make the "pop cost" a generic cost increase to -all- units of all empires via empire passive or the like? "All units cost +500 pop to make" or something?

Yes that would be great

Can you make a non Dlc version?

It's a shame this is incompatible with bigger regiments mod D:

I think you'd get a lot more people seeing and trying this mod if you changed the spelling to "development"

Just wanted to say thanks for the mod. Its working great so far

This mod is just about what I've wanted from expanded city development mods for this game, though I wish there were more compat between it, EBM, and Decodence. But yeah, like... good job! It's nice.

Seconding the comments about pop costs from Apheirox, tho.

Meant upgrades such as arane smith

Wait... does this remove some military buildings?

Is there a way to make the military buildings not disallow others?

Apheirox, seconded your two comments! I like these buildings idea, but what you suggest would make more sense to this.

I feel like the population costs are a bit high. ESPECIALLY for the builder. You usually want a builder early and they are often out alone. With this mod getting a builder is a huge investment and losing one is a major setback

Still needs to change to make all races get the same bonuses from terrain, High elfs gets +1 gold, +5 pop + 1 prod from forests(underground also works), while the others works only with 2 climate or only underground, frostlings gets only for water.

Also, I'll have to check just how exactly growth works in your mod again, but here's a suggestion:

- in the unmodded game, one major balance problem is even cities with no buildings grow very quickly, and provide quite a lot of gold, even with no resource structures in their domain... For example, Tigrans and Humans can settle a city for just 187 gold if they have the tier 1 racial governance economic upgrade.

What I'd suggest is to make cities more reliant on city improvements before they really start becoming economically viable. What this means is an Outpost with no improvements would grow quite slowly and have very low production until you build a few basic improvements to increase these outputs. This would effectively increase the cost of starting up new cities, which would make settler-spam less viable, and warfare more viable - something I think the game really needs.

Regarding population costs, I think you have to factor in the fact that units costing population shifts balance even more in favor of building city improvements rather than units - even more heavily so than is already the case for the unmodded game. Do I build a Swordsman sapping my precious city growth or another building that produces a whole lot of resources and costs no population points? I would go with 250/500/750 (really, that should be 250/500/1000, if you want to make it fit upkeep costs - your system favors building the higher tier units, which many players already think dominate too much)... but I'm not convinced units costing population points is a good idea, at all...

I love this mod, and the balance is pretty good imo. I'm with oroen, though, it'd be great if it worked with decodence!

After replaying it a while, it seems the population buildings compensate for the costs enough. But the balance for summoners and necro is still to do. I am thinking about buffing the spells and abilities vs summons maybe (to control, banish or damage them). What do you think ?

Many people complain about the population costs being too high. Do you think it should be adjusted ?
Should it be 250 500 750
or 500 750 1000
or remain 500 1000 1500 ?
It's a lot of work to change it so I'd rather not do it twice :p

@Arakus I'm working on it right now.

Does it seem like the NPC Leaders don't know how to manage their cities to anyone else?

As much as I'm loving this mod, I have the issue of the copious amounts of yields showing up around a city just makes the game look so ugly. There doesn't seem to be an option for hiding the yields in the base game either, so I suppose adding one or automatically hiding the yields isn't likely?

Mod need bugfixing!

this doesn't seem work with the decodence mod, or rather it will, but won't effect the oew tiles.

This mod is compatible with Empire Building Mod Unit Compatibility, but i think some heroes are bugged, as it allow you to pick wich racial skills (it show in game as Cast Spell and the icon of the race), so you can hava a Goblin Hero with racial skills of others races.
Just set Growth to very slow, 100% more pop when housing, LOTS of GOLD.

Not Compatible with Empire Building Mod (Hero Compatibility)

This mod needs some fixes. (posted on Bug Reports)
All the races should have gold+pop on terrain (not only underground) and elf need some nerf (3pop+1gold+1hammer on forest is too op)

The building i mean is called Forge of Balance

The Arcane Armoury description says it increases resistance by 2 for Armoured Tier I and II units, but it actually only increases it for unarmoured units.

The building that's meant to gives units recruited in a city Monster Slayer, Summoned Slayer etc just doesn't seem to work.

Other than that vast majority of the mod works as described - big improvement to the game. Can actually develop economies and get specialised units.

Not sure as I never play as a necromancer. Mostly seems to work fine.

I have an older version of this I think... Does it still cause the false is not a recognized dead city type error in the map editor? I olny ever get that error when i turn this mod on in my map

Would be good to know which buildings prevent the construction of which other buildings before building them - some kind of short manual on the mod - even just in plain text as a text document or something

That said all the new types of buildings make the game a lot more interesting - and if you choose the right food buildings for the city's terrain and race they give a significant boost to population growth.

Units costing population would be enough to reduce unit spam. Don't think it's necessary to make Tier II and Tier III units cost twice the population that Tier I units do. The same amount of population would be fine.