That's a fair point, fortunately the general consensus seems to believe that there's only one more DLC left, so hopefully mod-breaking patches will be winding down as CA move on to WH3.

I'm glad you like it. Unfortunately I won't be making the mod for WHII any time soon, as I currently do not have the time to update it with each new DLC/patch released for the game.

Just wanted to add: I don't own WH2 yet, but had a look at the mods page but couldn't see this mod's sequel. @Fizz any chance of an Expedition March for WH2 one day?

I saw the AI use Expedition March for the first time today! A Chaos stack sailed down to Marrienberg and when they came to shore they used the stance and are now encamped outside the city. Refreshingly smart!

Is there a version of this mod where we can get this new stance, but not loose forced march?

Ohh. Wouldn't it be more useful to leave it with the defence against ambushes (to make it an ambush countering stance, for against beastmen for example) & give it a different downside?

oh yeah. forgot about that. long time ago I made this mod. So there is a 65% chance you get attacked in an ambush whilst moving or standing after the round.

I thought the stance reduces the chance of an ambush?

Oh there is a downside. If you get caught at the end of the round by the AI and expedition march is active you have to face an ambush battle. You are still in a marching formation. So they will jump down on you as they please.

So there is a certain risk in it to use it at the end of the round.

Having now played with this mod i think i can never go back <3 thank you for this great idea.
(Gotta agree with Drakonhammer though:
"I do have one question though, is there any chance you would consider adding a movement cost to enter this stance? Otherwise there's no downside to activating it at the end of each/every turn when you finish moving (in default stance) in an area where you would otherwise suffer full attrition." )

This mod is perfect, I honestly can't play the game anymore without it.

I do have one question though, is there any chance you would consider adding a movement cost to enter this stance? Otherwise there's no downside to activating it at the end of each/every turn when you finish moving (in default stance) in an area where you would otherwise suffer full attrition.

I feel like a dirty cheater since accidentally discovering how useful this is for my new VC campaign.

Thanks for updating it for the newest DLC today!

If they changed forced march in the radious mod then it depends on which mod loads first. But if they don't override it there shouldn't be a problem.

Should be compatible with anything.

Does it screw up the AI?
I mean does AI still use forced march like it did before?

haha, At first I was like.. cool mod, but na. Then I read "Vigour in battle: FRESH (not tired! ignore the tooltip.)" and I'm like. oh shit, there we go. totally using this.

I tested this mod with mine, and it's fully compatible. I loaded it up and worked fine with my existing campaign.

Thanks for this mod though Fizz, this was a good idea. Cheers!

That should be a problem with the other mod. Sometimes modders don't clean up their tables they mod and let all the old lines in. That's why incompatibilities happen.

You can ask the modder if (s)he wants to look into that.

Expedition March should be campatible with anything as long as forced march remains untouched by other mods you use.

Hi, first gotta say I love your mod. It helps so much in dealing with the AI. Now, since the patch, your mod for me does not activate. I unsuscribed and suscribed again, but it doesnt change the march stance to expedition stance. Only mod I also activate that might affect it is the Steel Faith mod. Do you know if its not compatible with it?

alright. I will look what i can do. You are right. I found some mods that do quite well with handling the road runner ai. In Attila there was no mod like that, so I just continued the way I did it back then.

the idea is good. But that should be a mod on its own then.

Is there anyway of having both? There are times when I need to get the fuck to the other side of the map ASAP, where forced march is absolutely a "life saver" (literally town defence). But I really like the idea behind this safe stance.

I'm currently using the full-cost forced march mod, which does a good job of removing the bull shit use by the AI of jumping into forced march after doing something by making it require 75%/100% of movement to initiate it. I'd love to add your mod as an additional stance especially for VC or when I know someone is laying an ambush nearby.

As someone who has fiddled around with the stances what do you think of this idea I've had where forced march has reduced campaign movement for every consecutive use. So after say 3 turns it actually has less movement than no stance, but for each turn used your troops suffer reduced damage done or leadership for 1 turn per use, stacking up until not using the stance.

well... uh yes, sure. But there are already other mods that do that.

Just significantly increase the attrition rate of force march and the AI will reconsider the duration it plays hide and seek in your land. Given how badly AI fares in battle, if we are able to catch the AI easily, the game becomes a cake walk. Alternatively, the 10% bonus movement rate in your own land mod also solves this kiting issue nicely.

changed stats:

campaign movement range: -15 to -20
Attrition resistance: -75% to -60%
Ambush defence cahnce: +80% to +35% (wasnt sure at first if tthe chance will be added or exchanged for the new value. it is an addition)

I am still in testing with the bonuses. I also think already the 80% ambush defence chance is too high. That's nothing I can't change and polish in future updates. This is a community mod so feedback is well appreciated to make it better.

But keep in mind that there are lots of negative aspects to even the bonuses out. You can't recruit, you can't attack, you can't go into camp to replenish after marching and you have less movement range. That makes it very specialized to use... and thats what stances are for.

The AI will not use it. I am using a similar mod already. However this mod is unbalanced. There are skills for attrition, ambushes and sight so this is WAY OP plus why not have a movement bonus!

Cool! I'll check this out. Hate playing cat and mouse with the ****ing AI

well that was never the case with Safe March in Attila. The AI never used it like it used forced march.
For Expedition March I can't tell right now. Cause I just made it and tested just the technical function so far. But I doubt that the AI uses it like forced march to run away. It always knows how far it can go before getting catched. It doesn't pretend that it has still the 50% more reach available it had with forced march. So should be fine with AI behavior.

On the other side I also doubt that the ai will use expedition march at all. It is a stance for special situations and the AI won't see the use in it like the player does.

So if the AI is running away like normal. would it now be in this stance? Being its replacing force march?