You're asking for the Empire to be a space faring nation that is run on logic and reason.

It is not.

It has an obsession with unique one off super weapons hidden in basements all over the galaxy which are often stolen by their design teams when they choose to break away from the Empire proper and establish their own warlord states. Or they're stolen/destroyed by the Rebellion/New Republic because of course they're gonna deny the empire resources and super weapons.

The Vengeance is just another example of a super ship designed to showcase the Empire's might and cow its enemies into submission. If I had to hazard a guess. It was designed because someone didn't think the shape of the Executor or Assertor was intimidating enough but didn't want something as "small" as a Bellator or Mandator.

that...is a reasonable reply. i suppose the question came out if logistics. why create a new warship with different parts when you can just use the same intimidating ship? especially when the empire seemed it was quite good at logistics given the size of its military?

but that also answers the question. because they could get just about anything anywhere they needed...they wasted time on things they didnt need. honestly though, i would be scared out of open rebellion with an executor a bit more than an vengeance given the reputation.

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that...is a reasonable reply. i suppose the question came out if logistics. why create a new warship with different parts when you can just use the same intimidating ship? especially when the empire seemed it was quite good at logistics given the size of its military?

but that also answers the question. because they could get just about anything anywhere they needed...they wasted time on things they didnt need. honestly though, i would be scared out of open rebellion with an executor a bit more than an vengeance given the reputation.

Nah it's a pretty reasonable question.

I did couch my initial answer in knowing the Empire is run by a bunch of people who are far more interested in their own personal power and authority or were some form of megalomaniac with an obsession with super weapons.

Even then there are reasonable answers as to why someone might make yet another class of SSD despite having others available.

Real world ship building is a process that takes years to design and then build ships. Such projects by necessity (even if they don't always) have to limit themselves to existing technologies and ship building practices. While some tolerances can be factored in for future refits and changes in technology, if you don't limit yourself the design is never going to get built because it's undergoing constant revisions on the design table.

So you set the limit. You start designing the ship, maybe you make some allowances for better guns you know are currently being designed but aren't available at that time. However there are limits to that kind of thing. Because if a refit calls for tearing apart a ship down to its super structure and then rebuilding it with new technology? It's honestly better at that point to just build an entirely new ship. A total refit like that is more or less building a second ship using the bones of the first when you could instead have two ships, one more up to date and one more outdated you can relegate to secondary duties.

Which is why some nations during WW2 have so many different battleships at its start and why they kept building new ones even after the war began. New technologies and new ship building techniques along with changes in doctrine meant they needed new ship designs to keep pace with their rivals and enemies.

While its debatable if the Vengeance was meant to replace the Executor as the Empire's primary line SSD (as the Empire and its remnants sorta just commit to building more Executors) it also not impossible.

Vengeance is probably moreso the type of ship assigned as a reward for non-navy individuals like Adepts, Dark Side Elite and Advisors to get prestige. Likely very often related to Dark Side cabal forces considering that 4/4 instances of it seen are connected to that element of the empire.


SW is also a galaxy with so much size that even sticking to movie stuff gives a lot of... room. The mod doesn't really just stick to one source set either obviously.

Movie coruscant alone by depiction makes the official pop figure laughably small (being made for concept and early EU material more akin to New York sorta density over the entire planet minus polar caps compared to what the prequels did when they brought it in conceptually and then basically squared that) and that's still many, many orders of magnitude more people to do stuff than the entirety of earth's civilization now, and still more than there's ever been.

And that's the lowball. Scale is fun, most people don't really think about it accurately IRL nevermind in much larger fictional societies. Math isn't super liked and industry/logistics isn't really taught in most general schooling systems.

Another ship design means nothing in the end, really.

this is very speculative
i dont judge the ship from a wiki page cuz the lore about SSD changes a lot
i do judge the ship base on the visual design cuz that's the part that is more consistence


in a "realistic" scenario, the Assertor kinda suck.
it is the answer to "how many gun can u put in a SSD", it is super effective on space battle but suck at every other scenario, it has no answer to "now what?" after deleting the enemy fleet .
it barely get hanger space(for a ship of its scale), that means u dont have tanks/walkers/dropship-the asset u need to gain actual strategic victory for the Empire

the Bellator and Madator are your budget SSD, they are easy to restock and move around, they handle the sector level threat well, the Executor is for the galactic SHTF scenario. since u cant predict the future in such detail, these SSD are very good "do everything" ship. the Assertor on the other hand is a "what if this exact thing happen" design, it is a completely difference specie of war ship compare to a regular SSD

so, what is the Vengeance?

given how late it appear in the galatic civil war and sheer number of these thing the reborn Palpatine build around the Byss stronghold, this is what happen when galactic SHTF scenario happened and u need as many SSD as possible, aka your Executor at home. it's not as good as the Executor but it will handle most scenario u need an Executor to get involved

sorry for the late response i got very busy. thats all some very good points that more than answer the question for me (and honestly, fill in my own headcanon a bit). the ties to both star wars lore and real life are a brilliant touch.