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SciFi At War - The Original
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 1:44pm
Balancing Explained
Hey everyone
I thought id start a thread to explain the balancing in the mod, as well as make the list of units public with their respective powers visible.
The balancing was designed to not be cannon to the series, but balanced relative with the ships in its own faction, and then matching the same tier ships of another faction. This means the ships are listed in relative strength to the other ships on the list not other universes...
Every faction breaks down as follows
Light Fighter
Carrier Fighter
Heavy Fighter
Heavy Supergate Fighter
Light Bomber
Heavy Bomber
Tier 1-3
Tier 4 Supergate
Tier 4-6
Tier 7-9
Tier 8 Supergate
Tier 10 - Carrier (limit of 1)
Tier 11 - Capital Ship (limit of 5)
Tier 12 - Flag Ship (limit of 1)
Hero 1 - Relative to heavy bomber
Hero 2 - Relative to heavy fighter
Hero 3 - Relative to Tier 1-3
Hero 4 - Relative to Tier 4-6
Hero 5 - Relative to Tier 7
Hero 6 - Relative to Tier 10
Hero 7 - Relative to Tier 12

I will post full faction lists below this as i write them out
Last edited by Spinobreaker; 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:03pm
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 1:52pm 
Stargate
Light Fighter - Death Glider
Carrier Fighter - Wraith Dart
Heavy Fighter - F302, Ori Fighter
Heavy Supergate Fighter - Replicator Fighter
Light Bomber - Alkesh
Heavy Bomber - Puddle Jumper
Tier 1 - BC304
Tier 2 - Old Hatak
Tier 3 - Apophis's Cloaking Hatak
Tier 4 - Anubis's New Hatak
Tier 4 Supergate - Replicator Spider Ship
Tier 5 - Wraith Cruiser
Tier 6 - Beliskner
Tier 7 - Ori Warship
Tier 8 - Asgard Oniell
Tier 8 Supergate - Replicator Command Ship
Tier 9 - BC304 Mark 2 (asgard upgraded)
Tier 10 - Carrier - Wraith Hive
Tier 11 - Capital Ship - Carter Class (Oniell Mk2, asgard upgraded)
Tier 12 - Flag Ship - Aurora
Hero 1 - SG1 in Alkesh
Hero 2 - Mitchel in F302 (with one asgard beam emitter... i think)
Hero 3 - Prometheus
Hero 4 - Apohpis's Flagship
Hero 5 - Anubis's Command Ship
Hero 6 - Deadalus
Hero 7 - Thor
Last edited by Spinobreaker; 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:03pm
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:01pm 
Star Wars

Light Fighter - Tie Interceptor, Clone Trooper
Carrier Fighter - Vulure Droid
Heavy Fighter - X-Wing, Jedi Fighter
Heavy Supergate Fighter - Starviper
Light Bomber - Y-Wing
Heavy Bomber - Tie-Bomber
Tier 1 - Corellian Corvette
Tier 2 - Acclamtator Assault Ship
Tier 3 - Interdictor
Tier 4 - Broadside Class Cruiser
Tier 4 Supergate - Crusader Gunship
Tier 5 - MC30 Frigate
Tier 6 -Nebulon B Frigate
Tier 7 - Victory Destroyer
Tier 8 - Alliance Assault Frigate
Tier 8 Supergate - Kedalbe Battleship
Tier 9 - Calamari Cruiser
Tier 10 - Carrier - Lucrehulk
Tier 11 - Capital Ship - Star Destroyer
Tier 12 - Flag Ship - Jedi Cruiser
Hero 1 - Millennium Falcon
Hero 2 - Luke Skywalker in red sqaudron
Hero 3 - Sundered Heart
Hero 4 - Yoda in Jedi Acclimator
Hero 5 - Home One
Hero 6 - Accuser Star Destroyer
Hero 7 - Vader in Super Star Destroyer
Last edited by Spinobreaker; 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:04pm
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:12pm 
Star Trek

Light Fighter - Type 9 Shuttle
Carrier Fighter -
Heavy Fighter - Type 11 Shuttle
Heavy Supergate Fighter - Aeroshuttle
Light Bomber - Danube Shuttle
Heavy Bomber - Danube with Torpedo attachment
Tier 1 - Constitution Class
Tier 2 - Excelsior Class
Tier 3 - Nebula Class (medical frigate, heals other ships near it)
Tier 4 - Dominion Destroyer
Tier 4 Supergate - Klingon L19
Tier 5 - Galaxy Class
Tier 6 - Intrepid Class
Tier 7 - Cardassian Keldon
Tier 8 - Romulan Warbird
Tier 8 Supergate - Klingon C9
Tier 9 - Dominion Capital Ship
Tier 10 - Carrier - Excalibur Class (known elsewhere as pheonix class, my bad)
Tier 11 - Capital Ship - Sovereign Class
Tier 12 - Flag Ship - Borg Cube
Hero 1 - NX-01
Hero 2 - Spock (Type 11 Squadron)
Hero 3 - Kirk in Enterprise
Hero 4 - Kruge in Bird of Prey
Hero 5 - Janeway in Voyager
Hero 6 - Sisko in Defiant
Hero 7 - Piccard in Ent-E
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:18pm 
Battlestar Galactica


Light Fighter - Viper mk2
Carrier Fighter - Old Cylon Raider
Heavy Fighter - Viper mk 7, New Raider
Heavy Supergate Fighter - TOS Viper
Light Bomber - Raptor
Heavy Bomber - Heavy Raider
Tier 1 - Firestar
Tier 2 - Tiger
Tier 3 - Max (can cloak)
Tier 4 - Talos
Tier 4 Supergate - Defender
Tier 5 - Tantarus
Tier 6 - Attackstar
Tier 7 - Valkyrie
Tier 8 - Seraphin
Tier 8 Supergate - Columbia Class (now jupiter class... thanks Deadlock :p )
Tier 9 - Bezerk Class
Tier 10 - Carrier - Old Clyon Basestar
Tier 11 - Capital Ship - Mercury Class
Tier 12 - Flag Ship - New Cylon Basestar
Hero 1 - Starbuck in Blackbird
Hero 2 - Scar
Hero 3 - Apollo in a Firestar
Hero 4 - Kendra in a Valkyrie
Hero 5 - Galactica
Hero 6 - Pegasus
Hero 7 - One in a New Basestar
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:27pm 
Starship Troopers

Light Fighter - TAC Fighter
Carrier Fighter - Dragonfly Fighter
Heavy Fighter - Interceptor Righter
Heavy Supergate Fighter - Zipfly Fighter
Light Bomber - Wasp Bomber
Heavy Bomber - SICON Bomber
Tier 1 - Neptune Corvette
Tier 2 - Reaper Destroyer
Tier 3 - Darkling Destroyer
Tier 4 - Scorpion Cruiser
Tier 4 Supergate - Horned Devil Destroyer
Tier 5 - Methuselah Cruiser
Tier 6 - Alaska Heavy Cruiser
Tier 7 - Blisterwing Cruiser
Tier 8 - Geneva Battlecruiser
Tier 8 Supergate - Athena Cruiser
Tier 9 - BlackCorsair Battlecruiser
Tier 10 - Carrier - Saratoga Cruiser
Tier 11 - Capital Ship - Star Battleship
Tier 12 - Flag Ship - Deaths head Battleship
Hero 1 - Assassin Bug
Hero 2 - Zander Barclow in fighter squad
Hero 3 - Valley Forge
Hero 4 - Rodger Young
Hero 5 - Command Bug
Hero 6 - Ryuho
Hero 7 - Shiloh
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:49pm 
Babylon 5 (DO NOT USE - NOT FINISHED OR FINALISED)

Light Fighter - Centauri Interceptor
Carrier Fighter - Drakh Raider
Heavy Fighter - Minbari Fighter
Heavy Supergate Fighter - Starfury
Light Bomber - Minbari Bomber
Heavy Bomber -Centauri Bomber
Tier 1 - Hyperion Class
Tier 2 - Drazi Sun Hawk
Tier 3 - EAS Nova Class
Tier 4 - Brakiri Avioki Cruiser
Tier 4 Supergate - Omega Destroyer
Tier 5 - Minbari Frigate
Tier 6 - Centauri Vorcha
Tier 7 - Whitestar
Tier 8 - Vorlon Deadnought
Tier 8 Supergate - Omega X
Tier 9 - Minbari Cruiser
Tier 10 - Carrier - Drakh Carrier
Tier 11 - Capital Ship - Shadow Crab
Tier 12 - Flag Ship - Thirdspace Ship
Hero 1 - Garibaldi in something
Hero 2 - Ivanova in Star Fury Squad
Hero 3 - Bester in something
Hero 4 - G’Kar in Narn Cruiser
Hero 5 - Delenn in Whitestar
Hero 6 - Sherradin in Agamemnon
Hero 7 - Matthew Gideon in Excalibur
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:57pm 
Wing Commander (to be fair, never played it)

Light Fighter - Piranha
Carrier Fighter - Arrow
Heavy Fighter - Bearcat
Heavy Supergate Fighter - Ratooth
Light Bomber - Excalibur
Heavy Bomber - Black Widow
Tier 1 - Confederation Murphy
Tier 2 - Ralarrad
Tier 3 - Nimitz
Tier 4 - WAterloo
Tier 4 Supergate - Kilrathi Concom
Tier 5 - Fralthi Cruiser
Tier 6 -Zhu Feng
Tier 7 - Hades
Tier 8 - Plunkett
Tier 8 Supergate - Shaalkhar
Tier 9 - Confederation
Tier 10 - Carrier - Vesuvius
Tier 11 - Capital Ship - Enterprise
Tier 12 - Flag Ship - Kilrathi Dradnought
Hero 1 - Russa in Bearcat
Hero 2 - Star Squadron
Hero 3 - Bengal
Hero 4 - Julgal Nar (prince)
Hero 5 - T.C.S Plunkett
Hero 6 - Thrak Hath (commander)
Hero 7 - Midway Hero dude
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:57pm 
Halo

Light Fighter - Banshee
Carrier Fighter - Banshee Carrier Variant
Heavy Fighter - Longsword Fighter
Heavy Supergate Fighter - Flood Serpah
Light Bomber - Longsword Bomber
Heavy Bomber - Seraph
Tier 1 - Covenant Corvette
Tier 2 - UNSC Frigate
Tier 3 - UNSC Andraste
Tier 4 - UNSC Aspire
Tier 4 Supergate - Flood Frigate
Tier 5 - Covenant Mini-CCS
Tier 6 - UNSC Python
Tier 7 - UNSC Marathon
Tier 8 - Covenant CCS
Tier 8 Supergate - Flood CCS
Tier 9 - UNSC Pheonix
Tier 10 - Carrier - Covenant Carrier
Tier 11 - Capital Ship - Covenant Dreadnought
Tier 12 - Flag Ship - Forerunner Keyship
Hero 1 - Noble 6 in Sabre
Hero 2 - Arbiter in Seraph
Hero 3 - Forward Unto Dawn
Hero 4 - Brute in control of a battle frigate
Hero 5 - Pillar of Autumn
Hero 6 - Spirit of Fire
Hero 7 - Prophit Assault Carrier
Last edited by Spinobreaker; 6 Sep, 2017 @ 3:03pm
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Spinobreaker  [developer] 6 Sep, 2017 @ 2:58pm 
Farscape (VERY WIP)

Light Fighter - Sheyang Fighter Pod
Carrier Fighter - Peacekeeper Prowler
Heavy Fighter - Scarran Fighter
Heavy Supergate Fighter - Zenetan Pirate Fighter
Light Bomber - Peacekeeper Marauder
Heavy Bomber - Peacekeepr Heavy Marauder
Tier 1 - Scarran Old Stryker
Tier 2 - Nebari Corvette
Tier 3 - Scarran New Stryker
Tier 4 - Peacekeeper Vigilante
Tier 4 Supergate - Zenetan Junk Traders
Tier 5 - Luxan Penetrator
Tier 6 - Heavy Vigiante
Tier 7 - Luxan Heavy Penetrator
Tier 8 - Light Command Cruiser
Tier 8 Supergate - Talyn Cruiser
Tier 9 - Scarran Cruiser
Tier 10 - Carrier - Peacekeeper Command Carrier
Tier 11 - Capital Ship - Peacekeeper Command Cruiser
Tier 12 - Flag Ship - Scarran Dreadnaught
Hero 1 - Lola
Hero 2 - Aeryn Sun
Hero 3 - Chiana Nebari Cruiser
Hero 4 - Jothee in Penetrator
Hero 5 - Tayln
Hero 6 - Grayza Peacekeeper Dreadnought
Hero 7 - Staleed Scarran Dreadnaught
Last edited by Spinobreaker; 6 Sep, 2017 @ 3:10pm
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KaiserOnTheRun 23 Sep, 2017 @ 1:39pm 
I get what your saying here but can i make a small complaint? Can you maybe scale down the damage each unit does. Games i have done with AI goes by so fast and ships are destroyed so fast. I was surprised when a borg cube was destroyed quickly right when i put it in the battle field. Just a huge blast of light and it was gone. So can you lower down the damage or add more health to each unit so it seems more balance in a way and not so quick. Maybe also have the fighters be a bit more slower.
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KaiserOnTheRun 23 Sep, 2017 @ 1:39pm 
Overwise great mod.
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OFFLINECHARACTER258 25 Dec, 2017 @ 2:17am 
@trollx
I find that very interesting, my install is on the other end of the spectrum; it takes a full minute and a couple dozen sqaudrons of fighters to take out one (1) enemy fighter squadron. I've also used Deadalus' "beam nuke" ability on fighters and some of them even survive that. Not sure how that makes sense but...
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