Arma 3
3CB Factions
chazbotic 7 Jul, 2021 @ 1:08am
models for m16
the new "M16A2" lacks the AUTO or BURST marking, and the third sear pin is also missing. this makes me think the model is based on a semi-auto sporting model. the new model's bolt is lacking the vent holes in the side of the carrier.

the M16A3 incorrectly has a 3 round burst setting. in actuality, the M16A3 is an M16A2 that kept the fully automatic feature of the M16 and M16A1, and also consisted of some M16 and M16A1 rifles converted by the US Navy with an M16A2 upper receiver group. the model incorrectly uses a castle nut instead of the rifle receiver extension leading to a visible hole through where the receiver extension body would be. the M16A2 M203 has the same issue.

M14 and M14 (DMR) incorrectly lack the semi-auto locking sleeve on the right hand side while maintaining the automatic selector switch. the M14 DMR and M14 DMR (RIS) correctly has the locking sleeve. the M21 and M21 (RIS) also have this issue.

the M16A1 model incorrectly has the closed birdcage A2 flash hider, and the barrel profile is much thicker than it should be.

the Colt Carbine lacks the automatic sear pin and the magazine release finger on the left side of the receiver is not flush. the handguards are the thicker M4 profile but have 8 holes, not 6 or 7 as it typically was. the slimmer older Colt Carbine handguards should be almost the same diameter of the slip ring.

the HK33KA3 model's trigger housing lacks the third retaining pin position under the push-button magazine release. this was common on semi-auto sporter models, but military models would have the normal pin through-hole.

there's probably more, but this is visible to me at a glance. i have the references if needed.
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SerJames 7 Jul, 2021 @ 9:10am 
The author doesn't model these himself... he uses donated assets or RHS assets as the base... The feedback is great, but he's unlikely to be able to action much of it sadly
Evrik 7 Jul, 2021 @ 10:22am 
@chazbotic: Thanks for the feedback. I am aware of the burst issue on the M16A3 and will be correcting the oversight in the next hotfix. I will also attempt to put the AUTO marker onto the M16A2 model if I can.

If you can provide references for the missing semi-auto locking sleeve on the M14 and M14DMR - and show me where it is on the RIS versions - I will look at correcting the problem on the M14s and M21s.

What should the M16A1 have in place the A2 flash hider?

As for the rest, as Serjames states, I am not the original modeller of the weapons - hence the credits in the release notes. They were either donated or made open source and available online with the correct accreditation. I am not in a position to make any major changes to the models, but I may be able to correct the small changes, and correct the config for the burst settings.

Thanks.
Last edited by Evrik; 7 Jul, 2021 @ 10:23am
chazbotic 7 Jul, 2021 @ 2:58pm 
no worries, 3CB Factions (and other 3CB mods) are fantastic additions to the game. just trying to help a bit.

in the 1960's, the M14 was found to be borderline uncontrollable in full auto due to the more traditional shape of the stock - even adding a "flip-up" stock piece didn't help much, so nearly all M14 rifles were converted to semi-auto only via a locking sleeve that physically prevented the movement of the sear disconnector on the return stroke of the carrier. this looks like a little round "knob" below the trip lever.

normal M14 before conversion (and some export rifles and rare escapees of the conversion process): https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2540374252
notice the "paddle" selector below the trip lever and the lever being "forward" in order to interact with the disconnector (on bolt return, the trip lever is forced forward, which if the selector is rotated properly will allow the movement of the lever's hand inside the receiver to push up on the sear, letting the hammer fall forward and fire again - this happens repeatedly until the trigger is released or the ammunition is exhausted).

after conversion: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2540374121
notice the round locking collar that is permanently fixed in the "semi" position with the trip lever to the rear, detached from interacting with the disconnector. sometimes this collar is a sleeve instead with a pin holding the pivot in place. depend on who did the conversion.

while neither is identical to the real thing, both are close enough that few will notice.

commercially manufactured M14's (popularly known as M1A rifles) will lack the trip lever and collar/sleeve entirely:
https://imgur.com/F5Wp95U

as for the M16A1 flash hider, experiences with thick brush led to the original "duck bill" and "three prong" flashiders being discontinued in the mid-1960's. with the changes from the M16 to the M16E1, the rifle had the shell deflector added, a modified butt-stock with storage compartment, chrome-lined bore and phosphated carrier with chrome-lining on the interior, a forward assist, a modified pistol grip, changes to small parts for mass manufacturing, but the flashider was "closed" at the end, being nicknamed the "birdcage".

it had six slots spaced equally around the device and was otherwise identical to the A2 birdcage used on the M16A2 and later come the 1980's.
https://imgur.com/K428Izy

this is why in movies like Predator, you see a star-burst pattern all around, rather than only the top. if you look carefully you can see the bottom of the flash hider has a slot cut there, allowing gasses to escape. btw that flash is great exaggerated for theatrical purposes using a restrictor and blanks.
https://imgur.com/fIGeECQ

the M16A2's flash hider has 5 slots, slightly closer together, with the "bottom" of the flash hider (the side facing the ground when the rifle is shouldered) where the sixth slot used to be no longer being cut. this meant slightly less dust being kicked up when prone and a very slight "compensating" effect because hot gasses from firing are directed upwards mostly.
Last edited by chazbotic; 7 Jul, 2021 @ 2:59pm
Owl 8 Jul, 2021 @ 2:09pm 
Jesus Christ I feel like I walked in on gun nuts talking to each other about how guns work that will slowly turn into whether people should be allowed to have a 30 round semi auto 5.56 rifle for home defense and the room is evenly split between yes and no. Still was pretty interesting to look at the little details I didn’t care much for lol
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