RimWorld

RimWorld

Allow Consensual Incest
Revamped Inbreeding
What we really need is a mod that revamps inbreeding instead of just forcing a single gene arbitrarily like tynan did. We have all these negative gene, both vanilla and modded, that would fit perfectly as negative consequences for inbreeding. One way that could be done is use the chance for inheriting the inbred gene but have other gene inheritable as well at different rates depending on factors like how closely related pawns are, if their parents were related, and if their grandparents were related with each generation down giving bigger chances for worse negative genes.

For example: A first generation with two family members no matter how closely related having a child using real life documented science for medieval families would have similar deformity rate to a unrelated couple. It's second generation and down that it becomes a issue and third generation they start to progressively get worse each generation with life threatening issues starting to appear due to the gene pool getting more shallow each one with more negative recessive genes appearing. Mutations are a myth, said mutations and deformities only appear due to negative recessive traits becoming more enhanced or defined each generation of inbreeding.

Back to the main topic some vanilla genes that could be inherited similar to inbred would be sterile, nearsighted, extra pain, slow wound healing, weak immunity, unattractive, very unattractive, mild cell instability, slow study, slow runner, mild UV sensitivity, aggressive, weak melee damage, delicate, low libido, sterile, and obviously inbred. That's just vanilla, having mod support for mods with genes that make sense would be useful as well. The biotech cloning mod does something like this with how it applies negative genes to clones and even has a configuration menu for setting what gene is added, forced, or not used for either so a mod similar to that for inbreeding would be super useful. Why anyone would spend time in their life to create such a thing is another question entirely.

I for one want my tribe of inbred cannibal mountain people to be capable of truly becoming deformed genetic abominations after a couple generations. Also I took too long basically writing a small essay on incest in a warcrime simulator game so im questioning my life right now as any sane person would
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idontcare  [developer] 13 Dec, 2022 @ 9:19am 
I like your ideas. IMO the way the "inbred" gene works in vanilla atm is not realistic at all. In real life, first generation of incest has a very low chance of breeding "deformed babies". That chance increases upon next generations. Rimworld at this time is implementing "inbred" and "incest" in very unrealistic and negative ways, hence i don't play the game without my mod anymore lol. I can't say i'm gonna have the time or skills to implement such a "revamped inbreeding" mod in the future, but who knows!

"Why anyone would spend time in their life to create such a thing is another question entirely."
> For the same reason anyone would spend their time working on any other mod.
ParasiticSquid 13 Dec, 2022 @ 11:46am 
If you did I would play it. Been looking for something like that for well over a year now and im also annoyed at how vanilla inbred gene is implemented currently. All in all the main reason people would want such a mod is two fold, on one hand for the realism and on the other for ideology players who want to go ham with it I suppose. Im kind of in both camps since im your standard rimworld player who loves watching my enemies/prisoners that tick me off suffer in cruel and unusual ways in game lol

Also would give some extra story flavor. A couple times over my almost 4000 hours playing rimworld ive had incest couples happen. Rare but possible even before biotech, and in one case it was both dark and awesome from a story standpoint. I had created a whole family in character editor, a pair of parents and two children. The parents never broke up for some ungodly reason despite always getting in social fights and basically hating each other and the two kids, and brother and sister were best friends who basically did everything together but didn't like their parents very much. Next thing I know about 3 years into the current playthrough and I get the lovers notice so im thinking one of the kids got together with one of the recent new colonists, lo and behold they both hooked up with each other and now their parents hated them due to the -30 social penalty.

So comes various mental breaks, social fights between the kids and parents on multiple occasions, the mother straight up giving up on the colony and leaving, the father became addicted to flake, and eventually I said screw it when the father beat the daughter up in another social fight after she got pregnant due to CSL and abandoned the colony so the two can make a new home while leaving the father and other colonists that hated them behind.

Weird and unsual but still interesting stories like that is why I love this game and have so many hours. The new colony lasted another two years before mechanoids got them but the road to that point was awesome and if tynan actually fleshed out the incest portion or a mod existed for it at the time it would of only been better on the story front if you ask me.
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Stim The One 19 Mar, 2023 @ 2:05am 
Let me just say that this mod is a gem simply because I believe the handling of incest was AWFUL in the game and that suggestion up there is way better. Yes, complicated... but I believe it might make for a more fun game.

Let me tell you why they might not have done that. Right now, when you make kids, they don't have spontaneous genes other than inbred... if you could farm disadvantages off inbred kids... why.... it just motivates new war crimes. But it is also a very Rimworld thing to do. I am actually ashamed that it does not do that.

I only got it not just because of my enjoyment of the idea... but because two of my colonists fell in love deeper than most... and they were both born to the same parents IN the colony. And I feel like they deserve some good kids.
ParasiticSquid 27 Mar, 2023 @ 2:38am 
I personally just want the risk factor for the storytelling part of it. As far as I know having a incest couple actually happen in game is still extremely rare, or at least it was before biotech. Ill admit I haven't had one happen normally since biotechs release and my discovery of this mod since the mod was too good for some roleplay colonies I did that involved starting tribal. But before biotech for two related pawns to get together romantically you basically had to have conditions around them to line up perfectly, have their hidden but viewable in debug mode romance compat stat just high enough for the slight possibility, had to basically have dang near 100 opinion of each other, and then even after all that it was all completely determined by RNGesus in the end.

With how rare it was the storytelling portion of it should of been fleshed out more from the start. It always felt like a big deal in my colonies when it happened in the past due to it's rarity and how big the social impact on other pawns was. Instead though it was just treated as another normal relationship but everyone hates the couple equally. Shoot, even other incestuous pawns hated incestuous pawns with the same debuff so not even that was fleshed out for some reason. Needed mods for that. That colony I mentioned in my last comment? One of the reasons the mechanoids overran it was the kid after it was born had the same -30 opinion for their parents. This eventually led to a social fight with their father later that put both in the hospital after the father basically chopped the poor kids arm off with them getting their dads leg. The mother was essentially the last one standing when the mechanoids came calling with both out from anesthetic post bionic installation. Literally on her own with both a shooting skill of 2 and a melee skill of 5 against like 20 mechs. Place was soon on fire which killed the passed out kid and father and she got basically disemboweled by a scyther ambush that cut out a kidney and then her heart killing her. Needless to say that was peak rimworld right there lol

None of that would of happened though without the opinion offset so im mixed on it. Definately leads to interesting stories occasionally but everything just seems arbitrary for something that could only improve the storytelling aspect of the game. Shoot, beside old animal incest mods for super old at this point versions of the game there hasn't really been any incest mods beside just tweaking the opinion offset, removing it, or letting it happen more frequently. This was literally the first I saw that was new or unique and even then this mod should of been base game oof
thrax1imperator 23 Sep, 2024 @ 7:00pm 
fr tho i need my colony to have terrible inbred freaks within 6 generations
ParasiticSquid 24 Sep, 2024 @ 1:21pm 
Spoken like a true fellow rimworld player
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