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Date Posted: 18 Dec, 2022 @ 8:44pm

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[Suggestions] Should the Roclets be nerfed in combat ability

[Fixed] Roclets starve without vermin

[Fixed] Roclet caravans may not bring items to trade.

Barely_Creative [developer] 18 Dec, 2022 @ 8:44pm

[Fixed] Roclets may starve despite having available food

Probably a mod compatibility issue.

Last edited by Barely_Creative; 19 Dec, 2022 @ 10:12pm

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Barely_Creative [developer] 18 Dec, 2022 @ 8:49pm

There are a few standard questions I want to ask if this is happening to you.

1.Do the roclets have access to the food (eg not in a burrow somewhere else, not behind a forbidden door.. standard stuff)?

2.What kinds of food are available for them to eat?

3.Were there any major changes in the fort shortly before they stopped eating (eg moving to a new dining hall underground, opening the caverns, invasion/siege)?

4.Is any particular group starving (eg. only the really busy ones are starving, only the ones that are furthest from the surface, only a few that have climbed up on some ledge somewhere)?

Any additional details you can add would be greatly appreciated.

Last edited by Barely_Creative; 18 Dec, 2022 @ 8:50pm

NiftyRyanyan has Dwarf Fortress

18 Dec, 2022 @ 9:36pm

0 Yes I have the newest version of the mod 1.4
1 The food is publicly accessible and I have no active burrows
2 They have access to all the food types and even preped meals
3 Before hand I had semi recently opened a cave and had undead invasion a year ago and had a second one recently .
4 Everyone is starving.
All of them have been hungry for awhile half of them will have no hunger mood, and the other half will be starving or hungry. Everyone has free access to food and the surface. Ive watched some of them and they just run around then the hunger goes away. I think they are eating bugs. This may be a problem on my end but ive made the world after you made the first patch so I'm not really sure why it would be doing this.EDIT: Thought I would add the fact that most of them are also flashing the red/yellow heart icon as well if that helps.

Last edited by NiftyRyanyan; 18 Dec, 2022 @ 9:42pm

Barely_Creative [developer] 18 Dec, 2022 @ 9:51pm

The chasing vermin is standard DF starving behavior, so yeah they are just really dang hungry. I'm gonna have to do some testing to replicate.

Is there any chance you could zip the save and post a link to it here? (df local files -> save -> zip the entire region folder and write a list of mods you have on it)

Barely_Creative [developer] 18 Dec, 2022 @ 10:03pm

Yeah, in a quick test world I'm definitely seeing my roclets eat prepared food right out of the barrel before they even display that they are hungry. I'm gonna guess that something is special about the situation your fort is in that would be very time-consuming for me to recreate, so a save would be the best bet for solving this.

Thanks for the replies so far btw.

NiftyRyanyan has Dwarf Fortress

18 Dec, 2022 @ 10:59pm

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Dwarf Fortress\save\autosave 2 - Copy.zip
I have a few mods installed but I don't think they would have a effect on them. Great mod though bro, I really like it.

Barely_Creative [developer] 19 Dec, 2022 @ 12:57am

It apppears that you have written out the file path to your save, but you're gonna have to share it publicly somewhere like dropbox or google drive or DFFD, then put a link to it here for me to be able to access it. Sorry, I should have said that

And the mods question is more because I have to download them to even run your file, and it only tells me which mods are missing one at a time each time I try to load, so that kinda sucks to deal with.

NiftyRyanyan has Dwarf Fortress

19 Dec, 2022 @ 10:02am

Barely_Creative [developer] 19 Dec, 2022 @ 1:51pm

Perfect, it'll probably take me 24-48 hours to look at this, but I'll get back to you when I do it

NiftyRyanyan has Dwarf Fortress

19 Dec, 2022 @ 2:54pm

alright thank you.

Barely_Creative [developer] 19 Dec, 2022 @ 9:07pm

I've setup a small test fort with your modlist (which is actually kinda a huge overhaul), but I'm still definitely seeing roclets eat food as expected.

Is it possible you updated one or more of these mods after you generated the world? Even some of the patches from my mod before 1.2.4 would not take effect without a new save, or would have unintended effects on an existing save. Definitely some of the mods you have on the list mess with properties of food (Aeramore) and although it works on a fresh save, I could imagine a conflict if the food definitions were changed between versions.

Let me know if you can replicate this issue in a newly generated world (although you may want to look at your mod list because some of them completely bulldoze over the others). For example, stoneworking expanded adds reactions to the dwarf civ, then both Aeramore and All civs playable cut the entire dwarf civ to make it have no effect. Both all civs and kobold kamp cut and replace kobolds, so load order determines which one works. etc...

Anyway, you could try changing you load order and which mods you include, but the fact that it's so hard to even generate a world with a surviving roclet civ (because of the abundance of other civs that fill the slots) and the number of possible variations in load order, this is a fairly hard bug to confidently replicate and declare fixed.

Last edited by Barely_Creative; 19 Dec, 2022 @ 9:21pm

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Barely_Creative [developer] 19 Dec, 2022 @ 9:10pm

To be clear, if the issue is caused by a large list of mods interacting strangely, I don't think anything I can change will fix it. (Also, I'm not really excited about doing it)

Last edited by Barely_Creative; 19 Dec, 2022 @ 9:23pm

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NiftyRyanyan has Dwarf Fortress

19 Dec, 2022 @ 9:46pm

Yeah I think it most likely is caused by the mod list on the world, when I was playing on a less-modded world it worked fine. Guess I'll just have to take my loss and start over on a new world. Sorry about that.

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Barely_Creative [developer] 19 Dec, 2022 @ 10:11pm

Hey, I'm sorry too. I wish you luck in future worlds.

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